Carfan94

It looks even worse now with the traditional Mercedes “grille” panel on the front. Now it just looks like a giant computer mouse with a Mercedes grille and a hood ornament, Fix the shape of the car Mercedes! The grille wasn’t the problem. The interior looks the same to me, and I still don’t like the hyperscreen.

geko29

You are absolutely right. But you are speaking in rational facts. Unfortunately humans as a species are far from rational, and these internal hangups continue to exist, even when there's no real rational basis for them.

SW17LS

Remember, the EQS anf the Model S have similar drag coefficients. You can design a aerodynamic car that is attractive

The shape changes are coming in 2026, this is just an emergency tweak.

Bob04

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to you. not everyone will see the interior the way you do. you have a major issue with any plastic from knee level and below. i on the other hand, couldn't care less, i think there would be a wide range of views on this. i think the exterior is much more of a love hate for people than the interior.

but you can't make an eqs 'exactly like a s550' (s580?) because the drivetrains are entirely different, without significant interior space compromises in either the ice or the ev versions.

as geko pointed out, even if people only do 'short' commute type daily use, that doesn't mean they NEVER go longer distances. for example, if my ioniq 5 only had 180mi. max range, i would not have got it. on a trip i make a few times a year, i would not want to have to do several charging stops.

maybe, i don't know what their expectations were. the lc500 sells in tiny numbers too... did lexus 'screw up' with the design? i don't think so, it's just a niche purchase. i can't believe mercedes expected the eqs to sell in the same volume as the s-class.

what do you base this on?

no doubt. but there's corvette buyers who wanted a more traditional looking corvette than the radically different mid engined c8. can't please everyone.

this:
and this:
you know what they say about opinions... everyone has one.

not this again. averages are just that, averages. it means a lot of people do over the average daily. even without considering the average, most drivers will take the cars on drives/trips WAY longer than 'average'. maybe once a year. maybe once a month. point is, with limited range that may be ok for 'average' daily use, it's a royal pain for longer use.

my ioniq 5 gets about 250 on a 100% charge. concensus is charging to 100% and then not charging again until it's very low, and doing that over and over, is really a bad idea for battery health. of course those with charging at home wouldn't do this anyway. i tend to charge every other day in normal commute use. was doing to 90%, now to 80% because it's 'enough'. and 80% means about 200mi. of range. won't need it on a typical day (a commute and back is less than 40), but many days i drive closer to 100 or more.

irrelevant as they have entirely different drivetrains. you can't make the s class design today an ev, and you can't make the eqs an ice car unless both went majorly under the knife.

SW17LS

You should read and watch the reviews. It’s a $130,000 ultra luxury car, the interior is important. This is not a “me” thing, it’s commonly brought up in reviews and in discussion of the car in the MB world.

Also, I’m a consumer in this segment remember.

BMW 7, Genesis G80…

They expected it to do much better than it has. It’s a big sales disappointment.



The poor sales and the emergency refresh. Talk to dealers, like I said my dealer has stopped stocking EQS sedans entirely. The EQS sedan has the worst resale value of any car currently on sale. I can lease an EQS at the same MSRP as an S Class for half the payment. That’s not because it’s a runaway success that’s because they have massive, massive incentives to try and sell them. I was offered a $130,000 EQS 580 for $750 a month. $130,000 S580 is $2,000 a month.

So, that’s what I base the comment “it hasn’t landed like they would have hoped” on

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/mercedes-eqs-is-missing-the-mark-according-to-dealers-and-sales-data/

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/report-mercedes-having-tough-time-selling-evs-44503384

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/02/12/mercedes-benz-planning-new-design-language-for-its-range-of-evs/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudnd2b3J0ZXguY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI8aPaiWsB8LkPVaFb7nMUStGDnccDzjw4uTpdhiD5gqe7xhfE6fNTvPhSmHbjjDP9XHi73z_1pxb8s3qXPWWImpkYUYYp42eh2Ob7P0eDIi4HF60lLwC4Jcqhh2F608aUXguMI0DaFe47rru_Pue-jt_9vneRRo5SGjEFeujn_y

spwolf

that was the main focus, quality and also comfort of interior, especially back seat.

spwolf

Well they increased battery capacity by 10%, so range goes up by 10%. It has one of the largest ranges on the market.

It just never looked good and it was also cheap inside... probably target market is old and is afraid of driving EVs too.

SW17LS

We'll see. The fact that the manufaktur interior, which is super high end still has a plastic airbag cover while an S Class with the base leather has a leather cover doesn't fill me with confidence.

Carfan94

Yeah I don’t wanna be banging my knees on hard plastic in a $130,000 car. Lol

I went to the car show and I was horrified by how many luxury cars have hard plastic B pillars, my 3GS it’s nice and soft. And when you scoot the seat back it’s very noticeable.

GFerg

Well damn, my Dad's been looking at Lucid and the lease deals are not too bad. He just loves the car and design. He is one of the few that likes the Mercedes EV's too. Don't think he was aware of this. I will let him know though!

Edit: just toured through lease hacker website briefly and jeez!!! The deals on them are wild.

SW17LS

Deals are wild!

The Lucid is a more attractive car IMO, but the EQS rides better and is more traditionally luxurious and the tech is much better. If he like the looks the EQS is a great choice, just lease it!

TangoRed

I read the C&D article a few days and ago and checked with my contacts. Your timeline isn't matching up. 2024 announcement is for the battery update and grille, 2025 is when the proper facelift with 800v architecture and new motors made by MB will be installed. The shape is going to remain the same until its model run ends in 2028. This was always the plan and they haven't deviated - this grille and battery intervention were the only things not on the original schedule.

If you disagree, I'd love to see where in the C&D article you pulled that info because the only 2026 mentions in there are about the first of two S-class facelifts and the debut of the MB.EA platform on a different model line.

SW17LS

Here is the article:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...ss-eqs-future/

Yes the full redesign comes for 2028 which will be an all new body:

Quote:

Dubbed V580, the next EQS is based on MB.EA-L, the largest format of the brand's new electric architecture, which will make its debut in the 2026 GLC. All MB.EA products will feature a new grille inspired by the more upright proportions that were an untouchable Mercedes trademark for decades. The three-pointed star is also looming larger than ever, be it on the hood, in the grille, or as a stylized multi-mode front and rear light element. A source who must remain anonymous commented to

I also bolded the bit about the stretched E Class to show that isn't just my assessment.

The refresh that is coming for 2026 won't change the overall shape, but there will supposedly be tweaks to the front and rear ends to make it more upright and traditional looking. If you watch the reviews from the press unveiling of this 2025 they discuss that so presumably it was part of the press package.

TriC

Interestingly, Mercedes ran several commercials for their EVs during today telecast of the The Masters, one of which was for a Maybach version. None mentioned any lease numbers though.