SW17LS

Its an improvement, doesn't solve the shape issues for me...

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...dates-for-2025

swajames

Some good upgrades, and I love the interior. That color doesn't help, but I do quite like these.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

not for anti-blob fans but i'm sure it's awesome. that's a yuuuuge battery now.

SW17LS

And apparently the next upgrade which comes in 2026 will feature squarer, more traditional styling and 900v architecture...

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

there's nothing square about the current w223 so they're on a merging course anyway... but since people can't seem to handle short hoods i guess they'll make it longer.

SW17LS

It’s squarer and more upright than the EQS.

Longer hood would help a lot

jrmckinley

that black one from the front view looks great. The current ones have really grown on me, I don't find them as odd looking as I did 2 years ago. And the interior is spectacular.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

was alongside an eqs580 on the interstate the other day... looked awesome to me. and plenty of 'presence' / wow factor as we discuss.

SW17LS

The proof is in the sales and what MB is doing though, clearly the car doesn’t land with buyers as they had hoped. There are many traditional MB buyers like me who want a more traditional looking MB EV. That’s why they are making these changes, and making them in an emergency outside of a refresh year. My MB dealer has stopped ordering EQS sedans for inventory entirely because they sell so poorly.

I still dislike the shape and wouldn’t buy this car, but it is amazing to me how much the traditional grille and the hood ornament improve its appeal. I’m excited to see the 2026 refresh..

Hopefully there will also be interior quality improvements, although still on that black one with the Manufaktur interior it still doesn’t have a leather wrapped airbag cover so I’m dubious…

Margate330

I give it a PASS.

Ok, so it has a little bulbish on the shape.

All is forgiven when looking at the interior.

I'm not there yet on the dash but I'm working on it. Lol

SW17LS

In person the interior is a let down, quality is much closer to an E Class than an S Class, hopefully this refresh includes improvements there but it’s hard to tell in pictures.

jrmckinley

I have an ignorant question to ask. How much range would a car lose by being more "traditionally" shaped instead of "EV shaped"? Ex: if this EQS was shaped exactly like an S550, how much would the range decrease? 10%? If yes, on a car that might get 200 miles/day (highway only), why would I care if it got 180 miles by having a more "traditional" design? This is part of what I don't understand about Hyundai and Kia designs. They make beautiful mainstream cars, but (IMO) make EV's that are odd in shape and design in order to maximize efficiency. For the average person driving 50-70 miles/day and could charge at home nightly, who cares?

geko29

I can't answer your main question, but as for who cares? When the list of objections to EV adoption looks something like this:

1. Range anxiety
2. Public charging
3. Range anxiety
4. Charging on long trips
5. Resale value
6. Battery replacement cost
7. Range anxiety

They're trying to make their offerings as compelling as possible to overcome those objections.

AMIRZA786

I thinks it's more than a 10 percent efficiency loss. My friend has an i4, and it's pretty inefficient as compared to both my Y and Ioniq 5, and it needs a bigger battery to compensate. Also, EV's designed from the ground up maximize cabin space much better. But you're right, if you are just commuting between work and home and around town during the weekends, and charge at home it probably doesn't really matter. My friend for example commutes about 60 miles each way, but he's mostly in traffic, so he doesn't care and preferred the more comfortable interior and luxury BMW had to offer.

But if you travel like me, than for me Tesla is the best option due to its decent range and widely available charging infrastructure

swajames

I don't know if MB have released the range estimates for this refresh but we should be well beyond range anxiety by now given the relatively low daily mileage of the average American. Anything over 250 mile range and the average driver is lasting a week plus on a singe charge. If it turns out you don't fit that profile and/or you can't change at home then sure this (or any EV) might not be for you. But for the average driver, there is literally nothing on the market that won't see them through a working week with little to no range anxiety.