https://www.theguardian.com/business...-electric-cars

 

I'll believe it when I see it. I've been reading article like this for the last two years. That said, I hope it's true, as this would be a breakthrough multiple companies have been working on for a few years

 

The other thing is the interplay between range, battery size and efficiency, as the new GM trucks show. They get good range, but solely because they have massive batteries (well over 200 kWh). They are no more efficient than any other EV on the market

It's one thing to get to 745 mile range with a big battery, it's another thing to deliver it with a battery that actually charges in a reasonably time powering an efficient vehicle that delivers more miles per kWh. The 745 mile range/10 min charge battery discussed in the article is aspirational, not what we'll see when these batteries debut in the marketplace.

 

Hi mikemu30,

What's your take on this?

 

Toyota has earned a fair bit of skepticism. 13 years ago.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...-20111019.html
3 years ago


Less talk more show me.

 

In a Decade, Electric Cars Could Go 745 Miles Before Needing to Recharge

"Solid-state battery cell technology has been a Holy Grail for some time now. Thousands of engineers and billions of dollars of venture capital have gone into making it sufficiently practical, scalable, and affordable to be used in production vehicles," John Voelcker, an automotive reporter specializing in EVs for Car and Driver, Green Car Reports, and other outlets told Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/decade-elec...charge-1811139

 

745? Why not 748? I'll see it when I believe it.

They are not going to be easily attainable for the middle class either.

 

745 miles of range will require a charger capable of massive wattage or you'll be waiting awhile to get a full charge. Is Toyota going to build chargers that can do it?

 

Why isn't it possible? In 2017 an EV like the Nissan Leaf, Ford Focus EV, and Chevy Bolt barely got 90 miles on full charge. Today You have EV's exceeding 400 miles range (Mercedes EQS, Lucid Air etc). That said, 90 percent of drivers don't need more than 250 to 300 miles of range as most charge at home or use fast chargers that take about 15 minutes or less. My last drive to SoCal (380 miles) I made two stops, one twelve minute and one 8 minute. It was almost no difference from taking my Sienna. Batteries with that much range are completely unnecessary for the majority of drivers.

History already proves you wrong. Everything comes down in price. In 2022 the Model Y Long Range was easily almost $80k out the door. Now it's less than $60k OTD.

 

I don't see the point of 700+ miles of range all that does is increase cost and weight. Especially odd since Toyota keeps saying it is better to use small batteries in hybrids instead of wasting a huge pack on one car.

 

Fast charging will degrade the batter pretty quickly.

The EQS and Lucid are easily in excess of 100k. Not very good examples you gave for something affordable and attainable for the middle class.

 

I would prefer a lighter more energy dense battery pack that can get me 300 miles of range, uses a good charging infrastructure that can charge from 10 percent to 80 in under 15 minutes than a heavy, monstrous battery pack that can get me 700 miles and takes 40 minutes to charge. This is where I totally agree with Elon, who advocates smaller, energy dense super fast charging packs over large, heavy bulky packs

 

I only used Lucid and EQS as an example that the range is achievable. New and better tech always starts out expensive but gets cheaper pretty quickly.

Battery packs that are regularly fast charged can easily last over 300K miles, this is due to thermal management, and by the way the DC to DC charge regulates the incoming electricity to charge the battery pack. I can point you to the studies that have been done if you want

 

Toyota shareholders are raising concerns
https://electrek.co/2023/07/04/toyot...eslas-ev-lead/

 

Yeah, articles from electrek are to be taken as 100% fact...

Just more painting Toyota in a negative light when concerning electric vehicles.