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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 09:45 AM
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When I'm gently accelerating between 38 and 45 mph, going up an incline, I experience some engine hesitation or roughness. If I accelerate seriously, it may lessen or not occur. Car only has 8500 mi on it (2021 ES 350) and I think it's been doing this since it was brand new. Not getting any worse but getting any better, either. Is this a transmission thing? It isn't happening as the car shifts gears. Maybe I need Premium fuel, though I never carry heavy loads, just normal weight wife and I.
I also feel a bit of this when I first drive the car in the morning. During the first minute or two, the engine is rough. I thought it was because the engine was cold. But even though the needle says cold, it's not "winter cold," the car having been sleeping in a warm garage throughout a dry, warm summer overnight.
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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 09:54 AM
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When I'm gently accelerating between 38 and 45 mph, going up an incline, I experience some engine hesitation or roughness. If I accelerate seriously, it may lessen or not occur. Car only has 8500 mi on it (2021 ES 350) and I think it's been doing this since it was brand new. Not getting any worse but getting any better, either. Is this a transmission thing? It isn't happening as the car shifts gears. Maybe I need Premium fuel, though I never carry heavy loads, just normal weight wife and I.
I also feel a bit of this when I first drive the car in the morning. During the first minute or two, the engine is rough. I thought it was because the engine was cold. But even though the needle says cold, it's not "winter cold," the car having been sleeping in a warm garage throughout a dry, warm summer overnight.
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It's the crappy transmission IMO. Don't waste your $ on premium fuel. If I drove lots of stop and go, I would have dumped this car years ago.
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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaboom
When I'm gently accelerating between 38 and 45 mph, going up an incline, I experience some engine hesitation or roughness. If I accelerate seriously, it may lessen or not occur. Car only has 8500 mi on it (2021 ES 350) and I think it's been doing this since it was brand new. Not getting any worse but getting any better, either. Is this a transmission thing? It isn't happening as the car shifts gears. Maybe I need Premium fuel, though I never carry heavy loads, just normal weight wife and I.
I also feel a bit of this when I first drive the car in the morning. During the first minute or two, the engine is rough. I thought it was because the engine was cold. But even though the needle says cold, it's not "winter cold," the car having been sleeping in a warm garage throughout a dry, warm summer overnight.
Any diagnosis?
I've noticed something similar going 25-30 up a gentle hlll right after a cold start. Not a "hesitation" or "roughness," but an odd minor surging/pulsing. Weird, but there seem to be no other consequences to it.

Seconding MikeMu, I would absolutely, positively not waste money on premium gas for this problem. I'm confident it has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Our cars are designed and rated to run smoothly on regular gas from Top Tier brands, and I've experienced no other roughness or drivability problems doing so.

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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaboom
When I'm gently accelerating between 38 and 45 mph, going up an incline, I experience some engine hesitation or roughness. If I accelerate seriously, it may lessen or not occur. Car only has 8500 mi on it (2021 ES 350) and I think it's been doing this since it was brand new. Not getting any worse but getting any better, either. Is this a transmission thing? It isn't happening as the car shifts gears. Maybe I need Premium fuel, though I never carry heavy loads, just normal weight wife and I.
I also feel a bit of this when I first drive the car in the morning. During the first minute or two, the engine is rough. I thought it was because the engine was cold. But even though the needle says cold, it's not "winter cold," the car having been sleeping in a warm garage throughout a dry, warm summer overnight.
Any diagnosis?
The hesitation you feel upon the first drive of the day or after it's sat for a while is common from my experience. It was more prominent in my '19 Lux. The service advisors gave some B.S. excuse and told me to drive in sport mode to eliminate or minimize this. IMO changing the fuel will not alter the experience you have with the hesitation as I do not believe it to be engine related. I don't ever feel like the engine is rough but maybe our interpretations might differ but I absolutely have and continue to experience what you do. Want to really feel some hesitation from a transmission, drive a '22 RX 350. (Don't come for me RX owners!)&#128516 I drove 4 in a row, including F-sport and I can't believe I forgot the experience. I'm waiting to retest a 450 but otherwise I'm sticking to the ES.

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When I experience the hesitation it's been on a straight, relatively flat road. I imagine I would experience it going up a hill or in any driving situation that's been mentioned.

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The hesitation you feel upon the first drive of the day or after it's sat for a while is common from my experience. It was more prominent in my '19 Lux. The service advisors gave some B.S. excuse and told me to drive in sport mode to eliminate or minimize this. IMO changing the fuel will not alter the experience you have with the hesitation as I do not believe it to be engine related. I don't ever feel like the engine is rough but maybe our interpretations might differ but I absolutely have and continue to experience what you do. Want to really feel some hesitation from a transmission, drive a '22 RX 350. (Don't come for me RX owners!)&#128516 I drove 4 in a row, including F-sport and I can't believe I forgot the experience. I'm waiting to retest a 450 but otherwise I'm sticking to the ES.

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When I experience the hesitation it's been on a straight, relatively flat road. I imagine I would experience it going up a hill or in any driving situations that's been mentioned.
Wow my wife's 17RX has the same tranny and it is silky smooth other than an infrequent rough downshift from high speed.
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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 11:51 AM
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Wow my wife's 17RX has the same tranny and it is silky smooth other than an infrequent rough downshift from high speed.
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When driving the F Sport some odd noise was happening too upon initial acceleration. I couldn't believe what was going on. Plus the seats but that's for another thread LOL. Between test drives and Loaners, I've driven 7 - 8 RX's from MY 21 and 22. I don't' remember the issues in the '21's but I couldn't handle the issues with the '22s

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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 03:53 AM
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I do get some of that old cold car roughness the first few minutes out of the house in the morning. My previous GS and RX did not have that. Rest of the day the car is smooth as silk.
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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 05:58 AM
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Have you ever reported it to the service department? I’d like to know how they explained it away.
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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 08:00 AM
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Wow my wife's 17RX has the same tranny and it is silky smooth other than an infrequent rough downshift from high speed.
I have a 2016 RX and it has the same hesitation. Its the Tranny-Engine combo.

On the other hand the ES 300h is silky smooth and the car jumps as soon as you touch the pedal. Love the Hybrid drivetrain in this car.

If the hesitation in city traffic bothers you, try the Hybrid.
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Mike has made it known on this forum he would never switch to the dark side
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Electricity makes it the bright side...
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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 08:32 AM
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Mike has made it known on this forum he would never switch to the dark side
Never say Never.
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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 08:34 AM
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Prove us wrong!
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Originally Posted by UltraLux22
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When driving the F Sport some odd noise was happening too upon initial acceleration. I couldn't believe what was going on. Plus the seats but that's for another thread LOL. Between test drives and Loaners, I've driven 7 - 8 RX's from MY 21 and 22. I don't' remember the issues in the '21's but I couldn't handle the issues with the '22s
I can’t say I have noticed this in the 450h - but I do run in Eco mode most of the time. I doubt the drive mode would impact this sort of hesitation issue but you never know. I do notice a small bit of drone that others in the RX subforum have commented on, but it isn’t loud enough to bother me or my wife (she hasn’t even mentioned it).
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Old Oct 26, 2022 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ionian
Prove us wrong!
My ES only has 55K miles so no way I'm letting go of it in this market But my wife may eventually trade her RX for the new gen hybrid. Stay tuned
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