Which is why I offered my viewpoint to the OP. You can also offer yours.
I also have lurked on the Genesis forum, you are overstating it. Sure Genesis dealers aren't impressive....they are just Hyundai dealers. If you aren't accustomed to luxury cars, I get the whole dealer thing. The dealers are nice, they make you feel special and good but having had Lexus vehicles for 22 years, the dealers are just like any other car dealer with nicer finishes, and I no longer have interest in paying a premium to use them. So Genesis having crummy dealers really doesnt bother me, especially since they will come pick up the car....and its all free for 3 years.
I would still rather have a Lexus than a Genesis, which is why I chose a $90k LS460L vs a $70k G90, but if I could only pay say $50k, I would rather have a G80 than an ES just because its a much more sophisticated car. The issue is in the Lexus lineup, without a GS there is no Lexus I can spend more for to get something comparable to the G80 without having to go all the way up to an LS.
Genesis as a brand is ranked higher than Lexus in initial quality, so I would have no concerns there.
Your confusing INITIAL quality with reliability/dependability! If my NEW Lexus has a few more issues (Quality control) after I buy it they will be addressed under warranty. The cars reliability (Especially after the warranty is over is an completely different matter! Having a car with a 10 year warranty is cool but not if its always in the shop. Genesis won awards for initial quality and that's different. Nobody ever said Lexus had the latest and greatest technology and that's not what they are know for.
Your confusing INITIAL quality with reliability/dependability! If my NEW Lexus has a few more issues (Quality control) after I buy it they will be addressed under warranty. The cars reliability (Especially after the warranty is over is an completely different matter! Having a car with a 10 year warranty is cool but not if its always in the shop. Genesis won awards for initial quality and that's different. Nobody ever said Lexus had the latest and greatest technology and that's not what they are know for.
The ten year Hyundai warranty is a marketing gimmick anyway. Power train only and good luck trying to make a valid claim if and when something fails. IMO, a fully loaded G80 in the $55K price range would be something to consider. At $70K, it's a slam dunk bye bye.
Your confusing INITIAL quality with reliability/dependability! If my NEW Lexus has a few more issues (Quality control) after I buy it they will be addressed under warranty. The cars reliability (Especially after the warranty is over is an completely different matter! Having a car with a 10 year warranty is cool but not if its always in the shop. Genesis won awards for initial quality and that's different. Nobody ever said Lexus had the latest and greatest technology and that's not what they are know for.
Actually they are also ahead of Lexus in JD Power's Vehicle Dependability Survey as well, which is a measure of reliability. #1:
I wouldn't worry about a Genesis from a reliability standpoint at all.
I've had a few GS models, the most recent being a 2015 GS350 F-Sport. I traded that in for a 2017 RX 350 and sold that to a relative because I wanted to go back to a sedan. Chose to buy my current 2019 ES350 F-Sport and although I do like the ES, there is a difference from the GS. Power is about the same but the GS350 was a bit more substantial and unique as there is no Toyota counterpart. Also, RWD is much more preferable although the ES exhibits minimal torque steer which is admirable. The GS is pure Lexus as the ES350 is essentially a Toyota Camry XLE V6 or XSE V6 in Lexus disguise and for much more money. The Toyota Camry XLE/XSE V6 is a really nice car and it might have been smarter for me to buy that instead.
The discontinuance of the GS350 is a mistake on the part of Lexus because it leaves a big gap in the sedan line between the ES and LS. That is going to send a lot of Lexus customers to the Mercedes E Class or Audi A5 or BMW 5 Series. The Genesis that is being discussed here, I personally would stay away from. They are really nice looking cars. However, I personally know a few people that have had a crap load of major issues with Hyundai cars. Engine replacements, transmission replacements, paint issues, etc. Now, it appears that JD Power has a big separation in their chart from Genesis to Hyundai, but they are still the same manufacturer. Lexus and Toyota are the same manufacturer and Toyotas are really reliable cars with a solid reputation. Lexus may have a slight edge on reliability and a larger gap on safety.
Not to hate on Genesis, but I also question the resale value as well. All cars depreciate, but to pay 72K for something that might be worth 30K the day after you drive out of the showroom? No thanks.
Actually they are also ahead of Lexus in JD Power's Vehicle Dependability Survey as well, which is a measure of reliability. #1:
I wouldn't worry about a Genesis from a reliability standpoint at all.
I agree most Hyundai products are highly reliable. My coworker drives 200 miles a day in an Elantra with 275K on the clock - original engine and trans still.. I had an Azera that was also a very good car.
The depreciation isn’t that steep. In any event, most people lease these cars anyways.
I don't lease and that's why I watch resale values carefully just in case I buy something and hate it after one year. Hyundai depreciation is horrendous. Perhaps Genesis not quite as bad.
I don't lease and that's why I watch resale values carefully just in case I buy something and hate it after one year. Hyundai depreciation is horrendous. Perhaps Genesis not quite as bad.
Lexus depreciation is also terrible when you’re not talking about the ES or the RX. 3 years old the trade in offers on my LS are $35-36k and the MSRP was $90k.
The depreciation isn’t that steep. In any event, most people lease these cars anyways.
I have never leased, but isn't the "anticipated depreciation" factored into the lease payments anyway? Not trying to argue but rather just showing my ignorance of leases.
I have never leased, but isn't the "anticipated depreciation" factored into the lease payments anyway? Not trying to argue but rather just showing my ignorance of leases.
It is, but manufacturers bolster their residuals so that the lease payments are lower.
Lexus depreciation is also terrible when you’re not talking about the ES or the RX. 3 years old the trade in offers on my LS are $35-36k and the MSRP was $90k.
My wife once bought a Honda which she absolutely hated. We dumped it after less than a year and I was shocked in a good way how much they gave us on the trade. I guess LS at that price point, you're going to take a beating regardless of the manufacturer.
My wife once bought a Honda which she absolutely hated. We dumped it after less than a year and I was shocked in a good way how much they gave us on the trade. I guess LS at that price point, you're going to take a beating regardless of the manufacturer.
