FreddyG

True but I include Lexus in with the Toyota thoughts because they are the same base company. Slow progress is still progress and Toyota/Lexus is moving on the right direction in that they are putting R&D money into making better batteries (google Toyota solid state EV batteries) because that's what will set you above another EV in the long run. People worry about the range (range anxiety) and if you can build a battery that will go further, last longer and charge quicker, it's a win-win and will put you ahead of the competition.

Example: Toyota Long Term Battery Plan.............

Asheronthesea

I've already spoken with my local dealer about purchasing an 8th generation ES. Of course, no details were given of announcement dates, release windows, etc..

As many on this thread have already stated, the V6 is likely out in favor of Hybrid and electric. I was set on buying a 2024 ES with a V6 until I rented an Audi A3 with a hybrid engine last month. I was absolutely amazed at the efficiency of a modern hybrid engine and how nice it was not having to stop for gas so often. I don't see myself moving to full-electric anytime soon as the technology is improving so quickly.

mikemu30

I didn't know Audi was producing hybrids.

ESh

Here in Europe they have stupid mild hybrids and they are pointless.

In USA they sell plug-in hybrids.

E46CT

I saw someone post a 2025 Camry quote for 43.6k, includes a market adjustment.

How much of a market adjustment are you all willing to pay for 8ES hybrid when it comes out?

mikemu30

I've heard the term MILD- HYBRID but no idea what that means. How does it differ from the standard Lexus hybrid system (not plug in)?

mikemu30

They are marking them UP?

E46CT

https://www.reddit.com/r/Camry/comme..._camry_quotes/

the dealer is telling them they will be marking them up for 6 months.

bc6152

Just be happy you have your '19 and what you paid for it....

mikemu30

My goodness. We bought an RX hybrid in March and none of those games were being played.

mikemu30

I guess they'll see if they can get away with it.

DavidZ

How much less than sticker did you pay?

mikemu30

$60,500 on msrp $62,810

FreddyG

Our local Toyota dealers are famous for ADM's! They were asking $5k over MSRP for a Hybrid and didn't change because they didn't have to. RAV4's were flying off of the lot for them! Like Mikemu30 said, why change if you don't have to.

That kind of negates the fuel savings aspect of the hybrid because the break even point just gets further away (by $5k)!

I'm interested in a 2025 Crown Signia when they come out later this year but am not willing to pay ANY ADM and if they don't like, they can keep it. It'll turn into a waiting game then and I'll just keep bugging them and possibly wear them down!

mikemu30

Yep if they can get away with it, more power to them. My dealer started the process with NO DISCOUNTS on any hybrid especially one that won't be in stock for a month. I replied "I've never ever paid msrp for any vehicle and never will" and the arm wrestle began. Settled on roughly $2,300 off.