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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 05:11 AM
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What should I look for when buying tires like all the codes and all of that tire tech stuff or any suggestions on what brand and model?
I wanted to buy Michelin defenders, but don’t feel like spending almost a Grand for tires.!!
I don’t care about gas mileage or quiet smooth etc.
I just need tires alll season .
I just need safe tires with good reliability .
Please you perfer or driven on before that was a good experience.!

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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 05:57 AM
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Go to www.tirerack.com and enter your car model info. Select the Defenders and a couple of less expensive optional types. Select compare see the differences that Michelin money buys.
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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 06:52 AM
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Tire Rack has a Great Decision guide...... I use it all the time.

https://www.tirerack.com/content/tir...ion_guide.html
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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 07:07 AM
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You definitely get what you pay for in the tire world...
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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 07:45 AM
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I use to sell tires, albeit online. Basically the tire size consists of 3 numbers like 225/40/19. The first number 225 is the width of the tire in millimeters so the bigger the number the wider the tire typically, the second number 40 is the height of the tire and the last 19 is the diameter. You will also typically have a load and speed rating at the end like 94Y with 94 being the load and Y the speed rating. You can find charts online that tell you what speed and weight they correspond to. Honestly most of that doesn't matter for most people with regular cars doing normal driving. You just want the size (225/40/19) of the current tires to be the same as the new ones. You may also want to match speed and load ratings although for most passenger cars they should be fine, when you get into trucks and towing that's very important. As mentioned most tire buying sites will get you the size based on the make and model. However sometimes the same make and model can come with different tire sizes. In that case you will have to go look at your tires.

It sounds like you don't care that much about performance and are just looking for something economical that is safe. This makes it much easier. Just go to any of the big tire buying sites tirerack, discounttire, walmart, simpletire etc and look for the least expensive option in your size. You may also want to look at the tread wear warranty. The higher the longer the tire should last. It also typically means it's less grippy. Most tires today are perfectly fine for most every day driving. My business partner in the tire business use to buy Nankang tires for his personal car which were a cheap Chinese brand at the time (may not be as cheap now). He said they were perfectly fine. Or you can just go with the least expensive from one of the major brands if it makes you feel better.

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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 08:35 AM
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Goodyear Maxlife Assurance. They're on my ES for the past 40k miles or so and still probably have another 30k mile life left. Smooth, quiet can't ask for more.
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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mikemu30
Goodyear Maxlife Assurance. They're on my ES for the past 40k miles or so and still probably have another 30k mile life left. Smooth, quiet can't ask for more.
On your 2019 ES350 (I assume front wheel drive model?) do you have any rear camber wear that is noticeable with the inside tread of those rear tires?

Do you have any 4 wheel alignment readings that lists rear camber value on the 2019?

Thank you

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Old Jan 25, 2025 | 09:41 AM
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Note tire tread wear numbers are only comparable across the same manufacturer they have their own rating process and ratings are compared to a standard tire rating of 100.

Details here

https://tiresizecompare.com/treadwea...control%20tire.
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Originally Posted by zul8tr
On your 2019 ES350 (I assume front wheel drive model?) do you have any rear camber wear that is noticeable with the inside tread of those rear tires?

Do you have any 4 wheel alignment readings that lists rear camber value on the 2019?

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fwd yes and no visible uneven wear anywhere.
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Really? You drive a Lexus and won't spend a grand on new tires? $1000 installed is not that pricey. Maybe you can save $350 by going with something cheaper. Probably they'll be noisier, drive a bit worse, and maybe not last as long. Good tires could make a difference between a crash or not.
I have always followed the old saying about never cheap out on things that separate you from the ground: shoes, mattress, and tires!
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by geebee
Really? You drive a Lexus and won't spend a grand on new tires? $1000 installed is not that pricey. Maybe you can save $350 by going with something cheaper. Probably they'll be noisier, drive a bit worse, and maybe not last as long. Good tires could make a difference between a crash or not.
I have always followed the old saying about never cheap out on things that separate you from the ground: shoes, mattress, and tires!
What r u responding to?? You think Goodyears are cheap??
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by geebee
Really? You drive a Lexus and won't spend a grand on new tires? $1000 installed is not that pricey. Maybe you can save $350 by going with something cheaper. Probably they'll be noisier, drive a bit worse, and maybe not last as long. Good tires could make a difference between a crash or not.
I have always followed the old saying about never cheap out on things that separate you from the ground: shoes, mattress, and tires!
Took the words out of my mouth. To each his own with their own money, of course, but why even get an ES if you don’t care about “quite/smooth”?
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by geebee
Really? You drive a Lexus and won't spend a grand on new tires? $1000 installed is not that pricey. Maybe you can save $350 by going with something cheaper. Probably they'll be noisier, drive a bit worse, and maybe not last as long. Good tires could make a difference between a crash or not.
I have always followed the old saying about never cheap out on things that separate you from the ground: shoes, mattress, and tires!
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Took the words out of my mouth. To each his own with their own money, of course, but why even get an ES if you don’t care about “quite/smooth”?
To what degree though? At some point you get to diminishing returns. Using that logic why stop at $1000 tires? Why not get an LS500 with air suspension? Then again why not get a Bentley or a Rolls Royce?

I doubt most people would feel/hear a perceivable difference from decent set of say $600 tires vs $1000 tires. Especially when it comes to just quietness smoothness. If we were talking performance tires that's a different ball game.

I have a $4k latex mattress at home (I did not pay $4k had a friend who worked in the mattress business) and I have a $500 spring/foam hybrid mattress from Walmart at our cabin. I like them both equally and according to the metrics from my watch I sleep better on the cheap one. The latex will probably outlast the cheap mattress, but as far as comfort is concerned there's barely any perceivable difference to me.
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by uselessinfodude
I use to sell tires, albeit online. Basically the tire size consists of 3 numbers like 225/40/19. The first number 225 is the width of the tire in millimeters so the bigger the number the wider the tire typically, the second number 40 is the height of the tire and the last 19 is the diameter. You will also typically have a load and speed rating at the end like 94Y with 94 being the load and Y the speed rating. You can find charts online that tell you what speed and weight they correspond to. Honestly most of that doesn't matter for most people with regular cars doing normal driving. You just want the size (225/40/19) of the current tires to be the same as the new ones. You may also want to match speed and load ratings although for most passenger cars they should be fine, when you get into trucks and towing that's very important. As mentioned most tire buying sites will get you the size based on the make and model. However sometimes the same make and model can come with different tire sizes. In that case you will have to go look at your tires.

It sounds like you don't care that much about performance and are just looking for something economical that is safe. This makes it much easier. Just go to any of the big tire buying sites tirerack, discounttire, walmart, simpletire etc and look for the least expensive option in your size. You may also want to look at the tread wear warranty. The higher the longer the tire should last. It also typically means it's less grippy. Most tires today are perfectly fine for most every day driving. My business partner in the tire business use to buy Nankang tires for his personal car which were a cheap Chinese brand at the time (may not be as cheap now). He said they were perfectly fine. Or you can just go with the least expensive from one of the major brands if it makes you feel better.
The 40 you note for clarification for some that do not know is in percent, so the sidewall height in the example is 0.40 x 225mm = 90mm. If needed the the inflated to spec total diameter = 19" rim diameter + (90 x 2)/25.4 (2 sidewall heights)= 26.09"

The 25.4 converts mm to inches.

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 01:59 PM
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I would avoid Michelins like the plague. They dry rot like crazy.
I had Michelins on my RX 300 several years ago. The tires were dry rotted at just 3.5 years of age with 1/2 the tread left. The sidewalls were severely cracked and I wouldn't on them unless I was suicidal.

I like the stock tires that came with my ES 350. They appear to have rim guards which I thought were great considering they were factory stock.
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