Do all ES 350's come with Remote Start
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Do all ES 350's come with Remote Start
Had a friend not told me, I would have had no idea my 2016 ES350 had remote start via the key. My friend just picked up an identical 2016 ES350, equipped exactly as mine, and he can't get his to remote start via the key. In fact the tech guy told him they don't come that way.
Further confusing the situation is when I picked up the car, the remote start feature was not mentioned to me by the tech guy instructing me on the car.
So is it possible that some ES350s have this feature, although 'undocumented', and some don't? Bizarre.
Further confusing the situation is when I picked up the car, the remote start feature was not mentioned to me by the tech guy instructing me on the car.
So is it possible that some ES350s have this feature, although 'undocumented', and some don't? Bizarre.
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Had a friend not told me, I would have had no idea my 2016 ES350 had remote start via the key. My friend just picked up an identical 2016 ES350, equipped exactly as mine, and he can't get his to remote start via the key. In fact the tech guy told him they don't come that way.
Further confusing the situation is when I picked up the car, the remote start feature was not mentioned to me by the tech guy instructing me on the car.
So is it possible that some ES350s have this feature, although 'undocumented', and some don't? Bizarre.
Further confusing the situation is when I picked up the car, the remote start feature was not mentioned to me by the tech guy instructing me on the car.
So is it possible that some ES350s have this feature, although 'undocumented', and some don't? Bizarre.
I asked about being in a location where the internet is not available...they do actually exist
He explained how you can still process the command to open on the internet and somehow it "enables" your key???? I need to follow-up on that...does not seem to make sense.But the app is just like my furnace...I can adjust the temp from anywhere...using internet app and the correct thermostat.
Maybe someone who has owned longer than we have can explain?? TomMartin
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Yes Tom, I've got the app for remote start, but the 'undocumented' feature from the actual key is what I'm confused about. Mine works (hit lock twice and hold the lock button down a third time until the car starts) and my friend's, with the identical car, doesn't. Had it not been for a friend with the new RX who told me, I would never have even tried to start the car via the key.
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I can only speak for my 2015 300h, but there is no separate line item on our window sheet for remote start. I believe it is part of the Nav package, which includes an item in the description for "Lexus Enform Remote". We did have to call Lexus to have it activated and there is an annual fee (an add-on to SOS actually) but the first year was included. We plan to renew when our year is up but it doesn't sound like very many plan to keep it.
I should point out that mine only works via the Enform Remote App, and not the physical key. I think that may be the difference between the RES and the RES+. It is my understanding the RES is on the key and only works within range of the key. Where the RES+ is the mobile app that works anywhere the car and mobile phone are both within range of a cell tower. The extra annual fee is required to cover the wireless coverage for the car, plus the obvious profit margin for Lexus.
And Ken7: I will have to try that when I have access to the car tonight. I don't believe our car has any such feature but I just never tried that. Since the key has to be within range of the car, and given that the car will shut off when the door opens, I'm not sure where this would be of use to us. I suppose if the car sat out at night it might be helpful?
I should point out that mine only works via the Enform Remote App, and not the physical key. I think that may be the difference between the RES and the RES+. It is my understanding the RES is on the key and only works within range of the key. Where the RES+ is the mobile app that works anywhere the car and mobile phone are both within range of a cell tower. The extra annual fee is required to cover the wireless coverage for the car, plus the obvious profit margin for Lexus.
And Ken7: I will have to try that when I have access to the car tonight. I don't believe our car has any such feature but I just never tried that. Since the key has to be within range of the car, and given that the car will shut off when the door opens, I'm not sure where this would be of use to us. I suppose if the car sat out at night it might be helpful?
Last edited by TechNut; Dec 31, 2015 at 01:07 PM.
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Doug, I think it is much quicker to respond than the start app within the Lexus Enform phone app, although range is obviously much less.
What really has me scratching my head is the undocumented nature of this. There's nothing on my window sticker (which does have Nav) to indicate this feature exists. As I mentioned, my friend with the identical window sticker, can't get his to start via the key.
What really has me scratching my head is the undocumented nature of this. There's nothing on my window sticker (which does have Nav) to indicate this feature exists. As I mentioned, my friend with the identical window sticker, can't get his to start via the key.
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Well after reading your question Ken, I went onto the Lexus.com web page to look at the standard feature page on a 2016 ES. The only mention I could find was a few lines about the smart app which requires a subscription after year one. But it was standard. No mention otherwise regarding remote start by the key fob. However - there are numerous posts on here about the remote start with a key which became available in 2014 I believe. That is with the key only - for free - no subscription. It was my understanding that the remote came with all ES cars starting in 2014. Then after one year to use the smart app you had to pay. However I could be wrong about that and I'm sure another member will let us know if so.
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The key fob start is tied to the Enform Remote app. Your friend needs to have the Enform Remote app set up before the key fob start feature will work. This involves hitting the SOS button and speaking to a representative to get a confirmation code. The capability to remote start through the fob and app will expire when the 1-year trial ends.
This feature has been on MY2015+ Lexus ES with Nav, and never documented.
This feature has been on MY2015+ Lexus ES with Nav, and never documented.
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Yup, the car is home and I just tried it and it works as described by Ken. I had no idea that I could start it from the key fob and we have had the car since February. Now I do have the app enabled, but I don't see how the two could be tied together. Surely the car does not have the time to check the national Enform database to verify the feature is enabled when starting from the fob?
Ken, you are also correct that it starts much faster with the fob than via the app. However, since you have to be so close, it doesn't give it much time to run before you have to open the door. My wife likes to turn the seat heaters and steering wheel heater on before leaving the car on those "below zero" days, then remote start it before leaving her office so it has a few minutes to warm before reaching it (correction: my wife says the steering wheel heater will NOT come on when the car is remotely restarted). The opposite is also true on those 100+ days (without the seat warmers
). It is nice to know now that we have multiple options. Of course, this would likely work better on the ES 350 than the ES 300h on Eco mode... I doubt the hybrid will not run the full 10 minutes unless it is on normal or sport mode and we always leave ours on Eco mode. Seems a bit like I'm contradicting myself doesn't it. 
Ken, you are also correct that it starts much faster with the fob than via the app. However, since you have to be so close, it doesn't give it much time to run before you have to open the door. My wife likes to turn the seat heaters and steering wheel heater on before leaving the car on those "below zero" days, then remote start it before leaving her office so it has a few minutes to warm before reaching it (correction: my wife says the steering wheel heater will NOT come on when the car is remotely restarted). The opposite is also true on those 100+ days (without the seat warmers
). It is nice to know now that we have multiple options. Of course, this would likely work better on the ES 350 than the ES 300h on Eco mode... I doubt the hybrid will not run the full 10 minutes unless it is on normal or sport mode and we always leave ours on Eco mode. Seems a bit like I'm contradicting myself doesn't it.
Last edited by TechNut; Jan 1, 2016 at 04:10 AM. Reason: Correct for steering wheel heater behavior
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Lexus seems to have gone the way of GM & such, with "simple" factory modules, for factory auto start.
You can get an autostarter for recent Lexus' for around 300$ plus install - it uses the stock FOB to turn it on. Limitation is the FOB however, since usually its 70ft. or so... aftermarket [usually] start at around 500ft+ distance...
You can get an autostarter for recent Lexus' for around 300$ plus install - it uses the stock FOB to turn it on. Limitation is the FOB however, since usually its 70ft. or so... aftermarket [usually] start at around 500ft+ distance...
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Looking to clarify if all 2013+ Lexus ES with Lexus Enform (std) can be remotely started using the Lexus Enform Remote application or whether they need to have the RES+ accessory installed first? I realize there is a $69 yearly fee.
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OMG!!! My car has a remote start via the fob as well. It is 2014 300h CPO. I am still on my 1-year trial period for the SOS function (whatever it is called) - so will it go away once it ends?
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The key fob start is tied to the Enform Remote app. Your friend needs to have the Enform Remote app set up before the key fob start feature will work. This involves hitting the SOS button and speaking to a representative to get a confirmation code. The capability to remote start through the fob and app will expire when the 1-year trial ends.
This feature has been on MY2015+ Lexus ES with Nav, and never documented.
This feature has been on MY2015+ Lexus ES with Nav, and never documented.
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Yes Tom, I've got the app for remote start, but the 'undocumented' feature from the actual key is what I'm confused about. Mine works (hit lock twice and hold the lock button down a third time until the car starts) and my friend's, with the identical car, doesn't. Had it not been for a friend with the new RX who told me, I would never have even tried to start the car via the key.
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After reading this question I downloaded the app. When I scanned in my VIN on my 2013 I got a message it's not supported.
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Thanks for trying it out. Interesting that it didn't work. I guess the RES+ accessory has to be installed even on the newer Lexus cars that come with Lexus enform.