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Old 09-10-18, 08:37 AM
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i really hope someone can help me with this.
last night liquid that looked like water was noticed under
my es350 in the evening.

drove less than 5 minutes and the coolant indicator was almost full right.
stopped at first gas station and bought coolant.
opened hood and coolant seemed dry.

used half can to fill.
drove a few blocks and meter moved to mid position
drove a few more blocks and meter started swinging like crazy.
far right far left, middle etc.
lights came on.

red emergency
yellow skid
yellow engine
and remark, check VSC

engine also started knocking, clicking.

ideas?
thanks
Old 09-10-18, 08:44 AM
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Coolant is reddish color. What color was the fluid on the ground? To confirm the color you can use white paper towels and soak some of it in. It could be simply the condensation from the AC...

For the lights, have you read the codes? This sounds like a misfire but without codes it is just a guess...
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Originally Posted by igzy
Coolant is reddish color. What color was the fluid on the ground? To confirm the color you can use white paper towels and soak some of it in. It could be simply the condensation from the AC...

For the lights, have you read the codes? This sounds like a misfire but without codes it is just a guess...
thanks for helping.
the fluid on the ground was clear, like water.
there were no codes given, just the lights I mentioned.
i am away from home,city so can't read my manual.
this isn’t a misfire, it’s seriou.
burning smell
Old 09-10-18, 09:31 AM
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OP, are you talking about temperature gauge? No DTC code? How old is the car? When you notice any fluid tasting is one way of finding what it is.
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Originally Posted by Htony
OP, are you talking about temperature gauge? No DTC code? How old is the car? When you notice any fluid tasting is one way of finding what it is.
hello, yes it’s the temperature gauge. Which usually stays in the middle position. After the car warmed up, it shot from full left, cold to almost full right, hot.
it is a 2007. Raining now so hard to see fluid if leaking. The wild swings back and forth of meter is not a good sign.
also the burning smell.
What would the signs be for a radiator problem?
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The temp gauge going up and down means it likely got air into the cooling system, sputtering/misfires could mean coolant in the cylinders. Could be water pump fail, or thermostat stuck closed, gasket leak, etc. If you are not good at troubleshooting this yourself, I would suggest taking it to a dealer or a good shop. Also note that it doesn't have to be a Lexus dealer, Toyota dealers see these engines too. Where in ON are you?
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Originally Posted by igzy
The temp gauge going up and down means it likely got air into the cooling system, sputtering/misfires could mean coolant in the cylinders. Could be water pump fail, or thermostat stuck closed, gasket leak, etc. If you are not good at troubleshooting this yourself, I would suggest taking it to a dealer or a good shop. Also note that it doesn't have to be a Lexus dealer, Toyota dealers see these engines too. Where in ON are you?
thanks again for your help.
in Richmond hill.
Will be getting a tow shortly CAA.. Won,t take a chance driving now.
found a mechanic who can work on it today.
i just wanted to get an idea what the problem might be.
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Originally Posted by NoiseFree


thanks again for your help.
in Richmond hill.
Will be getting a tow shortly CAA.. Won,t take a chance driving now.
found a mechanic who can work on it today.
i just wanted to get an idea what the problem might be.
OK, good call on the tow. Last thing you need is a warped head, etc. from overheat.

Lexus of RH has really good service in case you need to go that way... Fingers crossed it is something simple and affordable to fix!
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Hopefully you did not cook the engine. When you start to hear mechanical knocking noise it usually means the engine is overheated. Good luck and I hope it is fixable.
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Originally Posted by jagtoes
Hopefully you did not cook the engine. When you start to hear mechanical knocking noise it usually means the engine is overheated. Good luck and I hope it is fixable.
I'll second that.

Originally Posted by NoiseFree
lights came on.

red emergency
yellow skid
yellow engine
and remark, check VSC

engine also started knocking, clicking.
The "yellow engine" light means there is a code present.
I've been told by a master tech that anytime there is an engine code the computer will turn off the VSC and traction control. That gives you the other lights.
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Originally Posted by igzy
The temp gauge going up and down means it likely got air into the cooling system, sputtering/misfires could mean coolant in the cylinders. Could be water pump fail, or thermostat stuck closed, gasket leak, etc. If you are not good at troubleshooting this yourself, I would suggest taking it to a dealer or a good shop. Also note that it doesn't have to be a Lexus dealer, Toyota dealers see these engines too. Where in ON are you?
I agree with Igzy; it could be a Water pump fail (for 2007 to March 2009 the WP has some issues; you may need to get the new improved WP)......also the thermostat may be stuck as well.
I pray with you that the engine is not fried; otherwise repair is simple. Good luck.
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Thanks guys for your help.
I dropped off the car yesterday at a garage, recommended by a friend.
With Lexus, I would have had to wait longer.

He told me it is the water pump and thermostat as you guys suspected.
He ordered them from Lexus and they arrived this morning.

Now the big test will be if the knocking noise is still there or not when he's finished.
I'll keep you posted. He's aiming for 3pm pickup.
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Originally Posted by NoiseFree
Thanks guys for your help.
I dropped off the car yesterday at a garage, recommended by a friend.
With Lexus, I would have had to wait longer.

He told me it is the water pump and thermostat as you guys suspected.
He ordered them from Lexus and they arrived this morning.

Now the big test will be if the knocking noise is still there or not when he's finished.
I'll keep you posted. He's aiming for 3pm pickup.
Make sure he gets the new improved Water Pump.......
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For Pete's bloody sake........why buy and install a new coolant pump (and thermostat) before determining if the engine is junk?? An engine that was/is knocking and clicking is probably junk. How much coolant was remaining in the system before anything was disturbed. Little or no coolant, then the engine will be junk. The system should have been simply filled with water, the coolant pump checked for freely rotating, the engine oil quantity checked, the engine started and run while listening for ugly noises before spending money on it.
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Originally Posted by oldgrump
For Pete's bloody sake........why buy and install a new coolant pump (and thermostat) before determining if the engine is junk?? An engine that was/is knocking and clicking is probably junk. How much coolant was remaining in the system before anything was disturbed. Little or no coolant, then the engine will be junk. The system should have been simply filled with water, the coolant pump checked for freely rotating, the engine oil quantity checked, the engine started and run while listening for ugly noises before spending money on it.
Yes, a good mechanic would check all other parts before going down this path. One doesn't need a working pump/thermostat to confirm if heads are warped, pistons collapsed due to overheat, or to do a compression check...

I would assume that his garage did this before replacing the pump and thermostat. Hopefully he picked up his car yesterday afternoon and all went well!
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