Front mount? Various issues
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Front mount? Various issues
Hey all,
ive been suspecting my front mount for some time. Here are some issues:
I feel the motor a tiny bit more than one would expect in an ES
Shifts feel like a person driving stick that waits too long to shift. When turning the corner really slow (in first) and then coming out, sometimes the car will of course go back into first. When it does, it feels like I put my foot to the floor. A dramatic shift when Under probably 7% throttle I should experience much less of a delay and then lunge. Shifting literally feels loose. I know u150e is not supposed to feel like a dual clutch in a Porsche, nor would I want it to, but this is just too lazy/ loose feeling.
I rarely, I mean rarely, use AC, but we did a lot on a 650 mile trip and I can feel the AC compressor lock on and off. This is simply to identify. It feels like a misfire or skip, but is only when the ac is on... it’s the clutch kicking in. I gather that I only feel it because perhaps my front mount is worn.
Anyone ever had all these symptoms and seen them gone with a new front mount? Also would go OEM for sure, wondering where I can get one cheap.
Thanks all
ive been suspecting my front mount for some time. Here are some issues:
I feel the motor a tiny bit more than one would expect in an ES
Shifts feel like a person driving stick that waits too long to shift. When turning the corner really slow (in first) and then coming out, sometimes the car will of course go back into first. When it does, it feels like I put my foot to the floor. A dramatic shift when Under probably 7% throttle I should experience much less of a delay and then lunge. Shifting literally feels loose. I know u150e is not supposed to feel like a dual clutch in a Porsche, nor would I want it to, but this is just too lazy/ loose feeling.
I rarely, I mean rarely, use AC, but we did a lot on a 650 mile trip and I can feel the AC compressor lock on and off. This is simply to identify. It feels like a misfire or skip, but is only when the ac is on... it’s the clutch kicking in. I gather that I only feel it because perhaps my front mount is worn.
Anyone ever had all these symptoms and seen them gone with a new front mount? Also would go OEM for sure, wondering where I can get one cheap.
Thanks all
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I feel the motor a tiny bit more than one would expect in an ES
Shifts feel like a person driving stick that waits too long to shift. When turning the corner really slow (in first) and then coming out, sometimes the car will of course go back into first. When it does, it feels like I put my foot to the floor. A dramatic shift when Under probably 7% throttle I should experience much less of a delay and then lunge. Shifting literally feels loose. I know u150e is not supposed to feel like a dual clutch in a Porsche, nor would I want it to, but this is just too lazy/ loose feeling.
Shifts feel like a person driving stick that waits too long to shift. When turning the corner really slow (in first) and then coming out, sometimes the car will of course go back into first. When it does, it feels like I put my foot to the floor. A dramatic shift when Under probably 7% throttle I should experience much less of a delay and then lunge. Shifting literally feels loose. I know u150e is not supposed to feel like a dual clutch in a Porsche, nor would I want it to, but this is just too lazy/ loose feeling.
Sounds like a U150e. It is known for lag issues. There was actually a factory code revision for it because it annoyed people so much. I recommend not running down that rabbit hole of alteration but learning to live with it or adapt your throttle action. It will in fact learn/adapt to your input and become less of an issue if you input more smoothly.
I rarely, I mean rarely, use AC, but we did a lot on a 650 mile trip and I can feel the AC compressor lock on and off. This is simply to identify. It feels like a misfire or skip, but is only when the ac is on... it’s the clutch kicking in. I gather that I only feel it because perhaps my front mount is worn.
Anyone ever had all these symptoms and seen them gone with a new front mount? Also would go OEM for sure, wondering where I can get one cheap.
If it passes, but you still feel and issue, stand to the left side and look along the front of the engine and observe the belts. See if you can perceive wobble to indicate a misalignment between pulleys, focus on the upper belt (ac and alternator) and less on the lower (ps pump only).
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I appreciate the response. I have been working on better throttle although I thought the 128,000 we put on a v6 solara (3mz) trained me enough lol I guess not. I’ll look into the mounts at 3000 rpm. Always checked whilst shifting from park to drive/reverse and back so interested to see how this way differs.
As for the 3.0l not being able to mask the AC clutch, that’s sad. Yes this is an entry level luxury car, it wouldn’t have been a massive cost or engineering feat to hide it better. Figured it was a condition of age. The newest one of these I’ve had was at 68,000. I realize of course it’s similar (almost identical, mechanically) to a Camry v6 but the difference is in metal thickness in areas, sound deadening, materials quality, and it’s substantial. Also the 5 speed instead of 4 if I recall. Avalon and Camry had the 4 speed. Which actually may have been better lol but a 5 speed is an upgrade. For me, those differences are just enough, and I still get to enjoy mass production replacement part costs. I’ve always wanted an LS but they’ve always gotten away
As for the 3.0l not being able to mask the AC clutch, that’s sad. Yes this is an entry level luxury car, it wouldn’t have been a massive cost or engineering feat to hide it better. Figured it was a condition of age. The newest one of these I’ve had was at 68,000. I realize of course it’s similar (almost identical, mechanically) to a Camry v6 but the difference is in metal thickness in areas, sound deadening, materials quality, and it’s substantial. Also the 5 speed instead of 4 if I recall. Avalon and Camry had the 4 speed. Which actually may have been better lol but a 5 speed is an upgrade. For me, those differences are just enough, and I still get to enjoy mass production replacement part costs. I’ve always wanted an LS but they’ve always gotten away
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I haven’t had it done, so am only passing on comments from those who went through it at the time.
To address buyer complaints, the factory revised the programming of the shift points and programmed throttle response to inputs. Some where satisfied with the changes, others were not. It was available during warranty if asked, but not a recall. It was irreversible once done, and it did damage mpgs a good bit, it was reported.
That is what I recall from past conversations; they should be archived.
To address buyer complaints, the factory revised the programming of the shift points and programmed throttle response to inputs. Some where satisfied with the changes, others were not. It was available during warranty if asked, but not a recall. It was irreversible once done, and it did damage mpgs a good bit, it was reported.
That is what I recall from past conversations; they should be archived.
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I appreciate the response. I have been working on better throttle although I thought the 128,000 we put on a v6 solara (3mz) trained me enough lol I guess not. I’ll look into the mounts at 3000 rpm. Always checked whilst shifting from park to drive/reverse and back so interested to see how this way differs.
As for the 3.0l not being able to mask the AC clutch, that’s sad. Yes this is an entry level luxury car, it wouldn’t have been a massive cost or engineering feat to hide it better. Figured it was a condition of age. The newest one of these I’ve had was at 68,000. I realize of course it’s similar (almost identical, mechanically) to a Camry v6 but the difference is in metal thickness in areas, sound deadening, materials quality, and it’s substantial. Also the 5 speed instead of 4 if I recall. Avalon and Camry had the 4 speed. Which actually may have been better lol but a 5 speed is an upgrade. For me, those differences are just enough, and I still get to enjoy mass production replacement part costs. I’ve always wanted an LS but they’ve always gotten away
As for the 3.0l not being able to mask the AC clutch, that’s sad. Yes this is an entry level luxury car, it wouldn’t have been a massive cost or engineering feat to hide it better. Figured it was a condition of age. The newest one of these I’ve had was at 68,000. I realize of course it’s similar (almost identical, mechanically) to a Camry v6 but the difference is in metal thickness in areas, sound deadening, materials quality, and it’s substantial. Also the 5 speed instead of 4 if I recall. Avalon and Camry had the 4 speed. Which actually may have been better lol but a 5 speed is an upgrade. For me, those differences are just enough, and I still get to enjoy mass production replacement part costs. I’ve always wanted an LS but they’ve always gotten away
The 2002 V6 Camry with the U140E was a 4spd with the carry over V6. There was a change over from the U140E to the U151E in mid 2003 for the Camry V6...I've seen some early 2003 have the 4spd automatic though. The 2003 VVTi V6 had the U151E IIRC. It's a bit weird. 2003-2006 V6 all had VVTi and those Camry had the U151E. The ES300 2002-2003 according to what I seen had the 3.0L VVTi U150E. The later years with the 3.3L then had the U151E. The Avalon on the other hand throughout the Gen2 run had the VVTi 3.0L and the 4spd with the older (and IMO more reliable) A541E thoughout the entire run. Interseting to note the flagship of Toyota had the 4spd automatic until end of 2004 while the Camry V6 had opt for the 5spd from 2003.
What you are describing with the shifting is a bit normal. My friends 2002 ES300 had the same feel as my 2004 XLE V6 Camry - the lag in gear shifting and hunting out of a slow speed turn. It's a common complaint for people who drive my car as well. The transmission...err more so the programming with these cars made the shifts uber soft, but it sometimes make the car guess which gear it should be in and hence it hesitates and shifts hard sometimes. With that said, the car does not like aggressive throttle response in the city.
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Thats all insightful. The Avalon's 4 speed was wonderful. There is something about the 2nd gen Avalon that I love. I walked away from a lovely bench seat sunroof leather 2002 with 199,900 miles only because of body rust which is unacceptable at my job. I regret it. Very, very nice car.
I am wondering about this reprogram.... my car already guzzles gas though, and I drive like I was born in 1920. I find it doesn't compute exactly; I get 1mpg better with my math. Best tank ever was just under 27 mpg. The 3mz/u151e Solara average 30.1 for a 3 month average once, at around 160,000 miles. This isn't that important to me or i'd buy another camry hybrid (almost did for $1500 but it was HAMMERED).
I really thought my throttle actuation was gentle, but I have toned it down even more and found a better driving experience. The 2nd-to-1rst down shift after a turn is still dramatic like I put my foot to the floor, but gentle helps. Nothing is better than a throttle CABLE. my 1950 Chevy has a cable (although it came with a set of linkage originally) responds almost telepathically. And its torque makes the most out of all three gears =) I remember the 1995 ES300 I had was delightful at shifting, except when it was cold it would hold 2nd for a while.
I am wondering about this reprogram.... my car already guzzles gas though, and I drive like I was born in 1920. I find it doesn't compute exactly; I get 1mpg better with my math. Best tank ever was just under 27 mpg. The 3mz/u151e Solara average 30.1 for a 3 month average once, at around 160,000 miles. This isn't that important to me or i'd buy another camry hybrid (almost did for $1500 but it was HAMMERED).
I really thought my throttle actuation was gentle, but I have toned it down even more and found a better driving experience. The 2nd-to-1rst down shift after a turn is still dramatic like I put my foot to the floor, but gentle helps. Nothing is better than a throttle CABLE. my 1950 Chevy has a cable (although it came with a set of linkage originally) responds almost telepathically. And its torque makes the most out of all three gears =) I remember the 1995 ES300 I had was delightful at shifting, except when it was cold it would hold 2nd for a while.
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[I am wondering about this reprogram.... my car already guzzles gas though, and I drive like I was born in 1920. I find it doesn't compute exactly; I get 1mpg better with my math. Best tank ever was just under 27 mpg.
The 2nd-to-1rst down shift after a turn is still dramatic like I put my foot to the floor, but gentle helps.
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I used to live in Boca, so I know what you mean. At 60, AC off, no extra weight, I'd see over 30mog, but comparatively, our solara followed a UHAUL from Boca to Rochester (1500 miles) and because neither of us like AC, and the top speed was like 62, it averaged 37mph with a 3mz. I wonder if the folks with the es330 see crazy mileage like the solara? same motor/trans.
As for the mounts, I never suspected those side ones but I will check them! I am assuming, as with nearly all mounts now-a-days, dealer only unless I want to change them every 6 months right?
Thanks again
As for the mounts, I never suspected those side ones but I will check them! I am assuming, as with nearly all mounts now-a-days, dealer only unless I want to change them every 6 months right?
Thanks again
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