Of course. If you ask today for an online quote, you'll get the same offers. I just shared one example. They gave me similar quotes on all their stock, not just a single stock number. A local Ford dealer did the same thing to me back in 2021. I did, however, find another Ford dealer that offered to sell me any vehicle at invoice. I was skeptical, but went in and it was legit. They even did a dealer trade to find me one that matched what I wanted. It saved me about $6k off of MSRP. That was right before the part shortages, which seems to have changed everything going forward.

 

In 2020 when COVID first started, we got an amazing deal for our Ioniq EV....$3800 down (I got back $2,800 in state and PG&E rebates) and $190 a month, which includes tax, license, and a policy that covers $5K in damage. The dealership of course tried to upsell us on some stuff, but they were easy to deal with and looking to get me out the door with as little hassle as possible. Last year when I was negotiating an Ioniq 5 for my brother in law, the moment I mentioned we are not interested in paying ADM's, I didn't really matter as a potential customer anymore. The sales guy didn't even bother to get back to me, I had to constantly email or text him. My brother in law got sick of it and went online and bought a Model 3 for the same price as a fully loaded Limited, hassle free. Now I'm hoping the tables have turned on them

 

Yep, the tables are turning, and now that they are, customers are going to remember which dealers screwed them over the past 2 to 3 years and which ones could have screwed them but didn't (or were at least somewhat gentle about it if they did) and award their business accordingly. Some dealers will not recover from their COVID behaviors, but some will have earned customers for a long time.

 

Some people know that I was dead set on buying an Lightning XLT recently, but 1) can't find one in stock or 2) gave me the run around on actual pricing. I gave up after a while and just got another Tesla....tired of dealers ..

 

Wow...Lucid is finally competitive with Tesla...

https://insideevs.com/news/680476/lu...tzGVwaLww6Z3cc

That Air Grand touring is def very appealing...

 

Impressive, the 1,050hp model is now starts at $125,000. Much closer to the Plaid price I paid and would have been a bargain if it was priced that way initially. So much more luxurious but probably not as sorted out like a Tesla.

 

Now that Lucid was brought up, got this in my email this morning:

 

Volkswagen Outsells Tesla In Germany's EV Market Through July

ID. Buzz and ID. Buzz Cargo sales have picked up steam after the production ramp and likely tipped the scales in VW's favor

Volkswagen has reclaimed the EV sales crown in Germany in the first seven months of the year, overtaking Tesla and the trio of premium domestic brands – Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and BMW.

VW edged past Tesla in electric car registrations from January through July, thanks to added volume from its newly launched models, especially the ID. Buzz passenger van and its commercial variant, the ID. Buzz Cargo.

According to data from Germany's Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) shared by Automobilwoche (via Electrek), Volkswagen sold 41,475 electric vehicles in Germany through July, while Tesla sold 40,289 units. Each of the two brands sold more than twice as many EVs as Mercedes-Benz, which took third place with 20,613 registrations

https://insideevs.com/news/681020/vo...-through-july/

 

I have to say, the did a very nice job on the styling.

 

Looks like we have some losers:

Jaguar I-Pace Sales Faded Again In Q2 2023

Will the volume decrease to less than 5,000 a year now?

Jaguar I-Pace sales:

• 2018: 6,893
• 2019: 17,355
• 2020: 16,457
• 2021: 9,970
• 2022: 7,307 (down 26.7%) and 11.9% share

https://insideevs.com/news/681085/ja...-sales-2023q2/

 

Not everybody qualifies for that $7500 EV tax credit.
AGI has to be under some limit.
I gotta get married or something to qualify for that $7500 EV tax credit, lol.

 

if you get married for the ev tax credit you'll likely lose way more than that in the divorce.

 

There's a lease loophole for that!

 

The real price war starts when Toyota/Lexus rolls out their line in a year that uses solid state batteries.
1) They will not catch fire or blow up your garage
2) They charge in 10 minutes
3) They have a range of 700-800 miles
4) They are relatively inexpensive
It will make all current EVs obsolete. The current manufacturers will be dumping inventory as Toyota/Lexus ramps up production.

 

I guess that's it then folks. August 11, 2024, Toyota/Lexus will have obsoleted the rest of the entire ev industry so might as well wait for that momentous day.