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i've said since the start, lucid will go out of business or be bought. some great engineering though.
I think the Saudis via PIF are going to keep Lucid dragging along as long as possible. They're heavily rumored to be in the process of inking a deal with Aston Martin to help them survive in the EV future. We'll see.
i've said since the start, lucid will go out of business or be bought. some great engineering though.
I agree, their tech is really impressive but you pay a lot for it
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
and with ford dumping all rivian stock, problems and slow deliveries still, not looking great for them either.
They've still got a decent amount of cash on hand and getting the Georgia plant up and running with R2 vehicles will be key. Teething issues aside, they do make a quality (if dorky looking) product
2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E: Effectively It Starts At $39,995
Let's take a look at the entire lineup and estimated range of each version
The Ford Mustang Mach-E is one of the best-selling electric cars in the United States. Today, we will check the current offer of the 2023 model year, after multiple price adjustments and turmoil with the federal tax credit.
It was also confirmed that the Mach-E will be treated as a crossover/SUV, which means eligibility for the $7,500 federal tax credit for all versions (as long as they do not exceed the $80,000 price cap for the incentive).
Prices
The entry-level version (Select trim, with Standard Range battery, rear-wheel-drive powertrain, and 18-inch wheels) starts at an MSRP of $45,995 (+$1,500 destination charge), which after deducting federal tax credit is effectively $39,995.
Just for reference, the 2021 model year version was offered at $42,895 (+$1,100) and effectively $36,495. As we can see, the difference over a two-year period is not particularly high, considering the overall situation and inflation.
There are nine main versions of the Mach-E, after the Route 1 trim with Extended Range battery and rear-wheel drive powertrain disappeared. Prices vary between $45,995-$69,995 (effectively $39,995-$63,995).
Basic specs
In terms of specs, there are no big changes compared to the previous model year versions. The main things to consider are:
two battery pack options: SR or ER with usable capacity of respectively 70 or 91 kilowatt-hours (kWh)
two powertrain options: rear-wheel drive (RWD) or all-wheel drive (AWD)
two sporty AWD versions: GT and GT Performance with a higher power output
The 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E's range and energy consumption ratings are not yet listed by the EPA, but according to Ford's website, we should expect the same values as in the case of 2022 model year... with two exceptions.
In the case of the Premium ER trim we noted:
Mach-E Premium ER RWD 19-inch: 310 miles (499 km)
vs. 303 miles (488 km) in 2021 model year
Mach-E Premium ER AWD 19-inch: 290 miles (467 km)
vs. 277 miles (446 km) in 2021 model year
We will wait and see whether there really is some increase once the results appear on the EPA's website.
Lucid's Q4 was impacted by the federal credit uncertainty. None of their cars qualify for the federal credit if purchased, but from 1/1/2023 Lucid can (and is) pushing 7500 into their lease deals (essentially passing on their credit)
This likely explains many of the q4 delivery delays, because just by waiting until Jan effectively meant the customer could use/save the 7500 federal credit. So reports of their demise may well be exaggerated. What happens in Q1 2023 might be a better indicator.
I work at one of top 3 tech companies....no such thing. And the other 2, I know doesn't have it either....
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
All top tech companies and many Fortune 500 companies have it as a benefit for employees. Its like benefits companies offer for discounted cell phone plans etc.
I think rivian is in a lot better position then Lucid. They have cash on hand, and actually have a huge demand; unfortunately they can't fulfill it at this time.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
and with ford dumping all rivian stock, problems and slow deliveries still, not looking great for them either.
I work at one of top 3 tech companies....no such thing. And the other 2, I know doesn't have it either....
Oh come on, everyone must be getting a ton of free money thrown at them by their employers otherwise no one would ever buy an EV. I mean, what other explanation could there be? There can't possibly be so many EVs here in Silicon Valley just because the vehicles themselves are excellent, offer what customers want and because customers like them. That's just crazy talk...
SoCal is nothing like Silicone Valley, and you see the same growing EV phenomenon. From LA to San Diego, Orange county to Barstow. His point was there are no alterior motives, nobody is forcing us or paying us to move to EV'S. Tesla has been selling them like crazy even after running out of tax credits.
I know it's not popular for me to say this, but they are just much better vehicles to drive and own. IMHO of course
Tesla slashed prices on a ton of their showroom cars substantially today....something is going down on 3/1!
Yeah they are blowing out cars in inventory right now, crazy good prices. There’s a lot of speculation on the Tesla forums right now but they are all over the place.
Rumors are that Tesla is going to announce the release of hw version 4, Project Highland, and possibly even the Cybertruck. I can't even keep up with Tesla news.... it's making my head spin
I still think investor day will be a big letdown. It will be about massive scale and sustainability, which is great but people want the beef like Cybertruck and a new model.
Hyundai could have another winner on its hands with its latest electric vehicle. Recently, the Korean automaker revealed the pricing for its highly-anticipated Ioniq 6, and when combined with its competitive range numbers and unique look, the EV looks to be a solid follow-up to Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 SUV.
Hyundai debuted the Ioniq 6 at the Los Angeles Auto Show in November, showing off a distinctly curvy design. Being Hyundai’s first all-electric sedan, the Ioniq 6 had a lot of pressure on it to set the tone for Hyundai’s EVs going forward. We were all eager to learn about the price point and now that we know that the Ioniq 6 starts at $41,600 — as a result, we’re expecting the sedan to do just as well as its SUV sibling.
COMPETITIVE RANGE
Along with a decent price, Hyundai also confirmed the Ioniq 6’s range numbers. The Ioniq 6 tops out at 361 miles with its long-range rear-wheel drive model, just nudging out Tesla’s Model 3. The base model has a more modest range of 240 miles, but all of the Ioniq 6’s trims support 800V/350kW fast charging that can get the battery from 10 to 80 percent in under 18 minutes.
It’s a competitive field in the EV market when it comes to range, so carmakers are obligated to make something with a usable range. Hyundai has not only improved on the Ioniq 5’s 303-mile range but made the Ioniq 6 with a range that can compete with some of the best long-range models currently on the market, like the Model 3.
With a starting price of $41,600 for the Ioniq 6, Hyundai is keeping prices fairly level with the Ioniq 5 and its starting $41,450 price tag. More importantly, the $45,500 price with the long-range model that gets 361 miles feels competitively priced. For those looking for the highest quality trim, Hyundai is offering a dual-motor all-wheel drive trim with 20-inch wheels and 320 horsepower for $56,100.
FOLLOWING THE FORMULA
The Ioniq 6 also comes loaded with a ton of tech features like blind-spot collision warning, lane-keeping assist, lane-following assist, smart cruise control, and ambient lighting. Hyundai says the Ioniq 6 will arrive at dealerships this spring, so we’ll see this curvy EV on the streets very soon.
With one popular EV under its belt and the Ioniq 6 coming soon, we’re curious if Hyundai can keep up this momentum with all of its 17 battery-powered EVs it’s expected to offer by 2030. The appetite for EVs is certainly there and if Hyundai continues to release more Ioniq models that have the price, range, and looks, it could become the automaker to beat in the EV market.
