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Old Apr 6, 2023 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Wow. That’s a big discount. Demand is further softening.
Isn't it awesome?! Soon everyone can have one! 👍
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by signdetres
Model Y just got a price cut too! Also if you have a Tesla on order and the price goes down, you automatically get the lower price as long as you haven't taken delivery yet. If you have a Tesla on order and the price goes up before you take delivery, you're locked into your original lower price
No order in right now...not until June or July

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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ST430
Isn't it awesome?! Soon everyone can have one! 👍
Do we agree the demand for Tesla EVs is slowing? This is simply a rebate. Good for a new buyer yes. Bad for existing buyers, resale and stock price.
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ST430
Isn't it awesome?! Soon everyone can have one! 👍
Oh yeah, can't wait to place my order
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Oh yeah, can't wait to place my order
dude, don't buy one. it might reverse the "softening demand"
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bowser
dude, don't buy one. it might reverse the "softening demand"
Maybe my one buy will harden the market

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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bowser
dude, don't buy one. it might reverse the "softening demand"
This is the 5th discount since January.
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 08:22 AM
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I will bite.

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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 08:34 AM
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If the market exists for a product, lowering price will always increase demand.

Also, if a market exists for a product but supply is low, the price will always increase.

Stating the obvious but it's true.
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
If the market exists for a product, lowering price will always increase demand.

Also, if a market exists for a product but supply is low, the price will always increase.

Stating the obvious but it's true.
That's exactly true and how the free market is supposed to work. Couldn't have said it better my friend. And that's not an opinion
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
That's exactly true and how the free market is supposed to work. Couldn't have said it better my friend. And that's not an opinion
Thank you.
That how I see it in my own words.

On the flip side, when someone Decreases their prices but their sales do not Increase in proportion to the price cut, this can be seen as diminshing demand. iMO
The diminshing demand is then corrected by price cuts and demand is restored again.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is it is important to me when discussing the increasing or decreasing of demand, we are talking about demand at what price,

Example: a car is in high demand at $30k but same car is low demand at $40k.

PS- the EV price wars will be a blood bath...

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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
Thank you.
That how I see it in my own words.

On the flip side, when someone Decreases their prices but their sales do not Increase in proportion to the price cut, this can be seen as diminshing demand. iMO
The diminshing demand is then corrected by the price cut and demand is restored again.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is it is important to me when discussing the increasing or decreasing of demand, we are talking about demand at what price,

Example: a car is in high demand at $30k but same car is low demand at $40k.

PS- the EV price wars will be a blood bath...
So true. And yes, there is going to be a bloodbath because companies like Ford are losing money on their EV's. The only companies making money are Mercedes, BMW, Hyundai/Kia, GM on the Bolt EUV, and I think VW/Audi, but not sure what their margins are. Tesla is the only company that can afford to slash prices as they have around a 25 percent margin
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 09:22 AM
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It's also flexibility provided by their direct sales model. If Tesla reduces the price of a car by $5000, the end result of that is the customer purchases the car for $5000 less in 100% of cases. That should drive additional demand and increase sales.

If one of the traditional manufacturers reduce the price of a car by $5000, in better than half of cases all that will happen is the dealer will pocket all or most of that $5k. The end consumer will pay the same price as before. Therefore reducing prices won't measurably increase sales, so they won't do it. It would be reducing profitability for no reason whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by geko29
It's also flexibility provided by their direct sales model. If Tesla reduces the price of a car by $5000, the end result of that is the customer purchases the car for $5000 less in 100% of cases. That should drive additional demand and increase sales.

If one of the traditional manufacturers reduce the price of a car by $5000, in better than half of cases all that will happen is the dealer will pocket all or most of that $5k. The end consumer will pay the same price as before. Therefore reducing prices won't measurably increase sales, so they won't do it. It would be reducing profitability for no reason whatsoever.
Oh yeah, forgot about the dealerships. In most cases they have no incentive to pass on the price cuts to consumers, which is why the dealership model is going to make it hard on manufacturers as Tesla continues its price cuts
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
It's also flexibility provided by their direct sales model. If Tesla reduces the price of a car by $5000, the end result of that is the customer purchases the car for $5000 less in 100% of cases. That should drive additional demand and increase sales.

If one of the traditional manufacturers reduce the price of a car by $5000, in better than half of cases all that will happen is the dealer will pocket all or most of that $5k. The end consumer will pay the same price as before. Therefore reducing prices won't measurably increase sales, so they won't do it. It would be reducing profitability for no reason whatsoever.
This is a good point. But what are the consequences of reducing the price? For example, the used car market for Teslas now has used Teslas sitting on the lot longer than regular gas cars.

If one of the traditional manufacturers reduce the price of a car by $5000, in better than half of cases all that will happen is the dealer will pocket all or most of that $5k. The end consumer will pay the same price as before. Therefore reducing prices won't measurably increase sales, so they won't do it. It would be reducing profitability for no reason whatsoever.
The dealer would not keep the extra money if there is low demand for a particular car

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On the flip side, when someone Decreases their prices but their sales do not Increase in proportion to the price cut, this can be seen as diminshing demand. iMO
The diminshing demand is then corrected by price cuts and demand is restored again.

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the other alternative is to reduce production or modify the product so that you can offer a lower trim. A full line manufacturer would do either of these, or they would offer a rebate

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