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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
At least its still a V8 unlike C63…
wouldn't be surprised if it's the last mb v8 performance vehicle.
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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 703
you mean underestimate? As you’re talking about performance.
Correct lol
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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 01:39 PM
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Man I wish someone still made a short wheelbase variant in this class…..

for me to buy used in 2-4 years
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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
wouldn't be surprised if it's the last mb v8 performance vehicle.
Well technically we have the SL63 E Performance and AMG GT still on the debut docket.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
wouldn't be surprised if it's the last mb v8 performance vehicle.
No there will be MANY more to come especially all the special editions when the V8 really does go away.

I hope they put it in the new E63 as well.
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Old Dec 7, 2022 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Love how the panamericana grille looks on this, IMO suits the grille size much more than the standard S-Class.

What's the weight on this car though? Over 1,000 pound-feet of torque yet it's barely faster than an S8 with almost half the torque and a third less HP.
Barely faster than what Audi claims.......and slower than what it hits in the hands of owners with V-boxes/draggy units. I suspect this is underrated as well or very heavy, I just can't see Mercedes releasing anything like this that doesn't have a distinct edge
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Even if they're underestimating the time, the math does not add up. I stress again, it has twice the torque of an Audi S8 yet is barely faster. Maybe it'll be a couple tenths of a second faster to 60, but for double the torque and with instant EV thrust since it's a PHEV, the numbers don't make much sense.
The Audi is underrated, much lighter, better trans, and better driveline and have historically punched well above specs. The EA825 is also insanely quick to hit max TQ at 1200-1500 rpm plus Audi also always underrated the 0-60 to the point the D4 S8 claimed 3.8 and owners were getting 3.1-3.3 WITHOUT rollout.

It makes total sense since EV motors do not have ability to simply lay on more boost as RPMs increase. They make max TQ possible at idle and it only drops from there vs how Audi sets up their engines to compensate for rpm increase by just laying in more boost as ignition events speed up/have less of a physical window to detonate. The TQ curve is simply larger since it doesn't fall off till way latter in the 0-60 acceleration unlike a motor that falls off instantly.

If you have ever tuned an FI engine you would be well aware of this. If you have enough precision in injection timing you can create a boost curve that keeps actual wheel TQ extremely high at all RPMs provided the turbos are large enough and you have intercooler capacity. The EA825s most major improvement over the EA824 is it's far far far high capacity charge cooler system allowing a even more aggressive boost profile to keep TQ maxed out.

Add on the fact that Mercedes and AMG transmissions have been known for the last 10 years to be slow, limit TQ output, and not transmit as much though as a ZF8 and this make total sense. Oh and electric motor systems can't sustain output for very long, I doubt the system is still outputing max power past a single 0-60 run, it won't be helping much over 150mph since the raw engine output is lower than the EA825

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