Except it not only competes, it outsells the X5.

 

More sophisticated = better. Just because they sell a ton of RXs don't make it a better car. Its not a better car unless the only thing you care about is reliability, in all other ways the X5 is a better car. It drives better, rides better, its nicer inside, it has a more sophisticated suspension and uses better materials in its construction...its objectively better.

Its like saying Wagyu beef is not better because you are happy with USDA Prime. It is better.

 

Very few buyers cross shop the RX and the X5, the X5 is much more expensive. Thats like saying a Camry is a better car than a 5 Series because it sells way more, people aren't choosing a Camry over a 5 Series.

The RX is a very successful product, and it has a lot of plusses for buyers but if you are someone like me (and many other enthusiasts) who cares about how a car is designed and performs and wants something that is the best in one or multiple performance areas, there is no comparison between an X5 and an RX. Not everybody feels that way or even understands the differences, and they want a reasonably priced luxurious and classy vehicle that will be reliable, and the RX makes a lot of sense there.

 

Again, your opinion, not fact. LOL, I actually don't like wagyu beef. I prefer Prime. Opinion, not fact. I prefer my vehicles to start and not leak. My opinion.

 

Look, I'm happy you are happy with your RX, but its not in the same league as an X5, and everybody knows that to be true. Some things are just opinions, but there are objective facts and performance too. If you're trying to get me to say your RX is better than an X5 because "you think it is", thats just not going to happen. Sorry.

I would take an X5 over an RX even if I knew it was going to spend time in the shop...I don't regret leaving Lexus for Mercedes one bit, I think if you ask the other long time members here who also have left for the Germans overwhelmingly they feel the same. Its a shame that Lexus doesn't offer cars that have the same level of sophistication any longer.

 

The power train of the Toyota hybrids are far more sophisticated than a regular BMW set up.

‘Lexus GX and LX are double wishbone. Different price points. Mercedes E class was Macpherson strut, but I can’t recall the year. (3 link)

This is not true

Is Wagyu more sophisticated than USDA Prime?

 

Yet, I just traded a Cayenne Turbo Coupe for a RX. Why would someone have done that when it had nothing to do with the cost? Do you think I could not drive anything I want? I chose an RX over an X5, X7, Bentley Bentayga, LX, GX, Urus, Escalade... I wanted the vehicle I am most comfortable driving with the best reliability and service. That was it for me. I love it. I could give $ .02 if you agree. But you saying the Germans are better is not true to everyone. You obviously have a grudge with Lexus.

 

A hybrid turbo 4? No thanks lol

Mercedes E Class has never been a Macpherson strut. Thats a suspension setup you only see in FWD vehicles. The GX and LX are trucks, we aren't talking about them.

I think most people would agree that more sophisticated things are better yes.

Wagyu is not something that is engineered and constructed, but its certainly more complex to produce sure, thats why its more expensive.

I think you will find very few car enthusiasts would make such a trade. I'm glad you're happy with it, I wouldnt be. Most people don't cross shop $250k and $60k cars. If you're happy with the RX what makes any of those cars better doesn't matter to you so they would just be a waste of money.

 

For real. 2010 era.

Sure. For the most part yeah. BUT, there are caveats. My air suspension in my 04 4R is far far far more sophisticated than my 21 4R. But I’d would much rather have the standard coils on my new one. I think longevity over short term..so sophisticated does not = better. But I am far more happy to have a double wishbone up front compared to my FWD cars…. But I do not want in any way the more sophisticated rear suspension that Toyota used in the last gen Sequoia

 

How many German cars have you owned again? Owned any over 3 years? I've owned 5 since 2018. I bought real enthusiast models M Performance, GTS, Turbo models. You can imply I am not somehow not a car enthusiast all you want, but the facts show otherwise.

 

So I looked this up, and it was not the style of macpherson struts we're talking about here. Mercedes used a macpherson strut and coil in one unit but put that into a multi-link setup.

Why? I'll take the air suspension.

 

Yet you sold them all and bought a Lexus RX. As an enthusiast I just don't see how you could do that. Clearly even though you owned those cars the benefits of their design didn't have an impact on you.

 

But not a double wishbone.

Longevity. I am just giving my reason for why sophisticated is not always better. Toyota put no spring back there..so once worn out…no longer driveable. (But I can turn off the air suspension).

 

A multilink setup is more sophisticated than a double wishbone setup.

Performance is still superior. I prefer better performance even if it means it may require more maintenance or potential costs down the line.

 

I did it for a more comfortable reliable mid sized luxury SUV with a better dealer experience. I don't see how you could lease a S class as an auto enthusiast.