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I wonder how that happened. Did Toyota like find one somewhere they might have forgotten about
Some dealers slip up and don't remember to log in what cars they sold until months or even years after they're sold. Occasionally you'll get a 10 year old car marked as a new car sale. Weird, but it happens.
For a mass market car, I'm pretty surprised how seldomly I see one of these on the road. Especially considering I'm in the SF Bay Area where I would have expected these to be more common. I guess all the people who used to buy these bought Model S's instead.
I'm pretty surprised how seldomly I see one of these on the road. Especially considering I'm in the SF Bay Area where I would have expected these to be more common. .
I find that I see the GS on occasion where I am. But problem with the downfall of the GS IMO is that Lexus basically gave up on the engines. Deleting the 4.6 was a dumb move. Ancient hybrid set up (still second to none) mediocre 2.0t. But the big issue was that the 3.5 was left in their way to long. I liked how the GS has full time awd
I find that I see the GS on occasion where I am. But problem with the downfall of the GS IMO is that Lexus basically gave up on the engines. Deleting the 4.6 was a dumb move. Ancient hybrid set up (still second to none) mediocre 2.0t. But the big issue was that the 3.5 was left in their way to long. I liked how the GS has full time awd
Re: ancient hybrid - the LS/LC500h/S220 (crown) setup improves on it by a ton (4-speed auto behind the PSD instead of a 2-speed for MG2, major improvement to acceleration) - so it's not exactly second to none. Practically the same engine, though - except they added particulate filters and dedicated EGR (might be wrong, conflicting info). There's also the m35h/q50h if you want a more "direct" feeling (you know, definitely not a CVT)... not sure why they went with steer-by-wire on those.
The 4.6 was a lazy engine anyway, doesn’t offer much in terms of performance. Smoothness and refinement yes.
Fair point about the GS F. But there was definitely a period of time where there was no V8 in the GS lineup. (Could be wrong)
Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
Re: ancient hybrid - the LS/LC500h/S220 (crown) setup improves on it by a ton (4-speed auto behind the PSD instead of a 2-speed for MG2, major improvement to acceleration) - so it's not exactly second to none. Practically the same engine, though - except they added particulate filters and dedicated EGR (might be wrong, conflicting info). There's also the m35h/q50h if you want a more "direct" feeling (you know, definitely not a CVT)... not sure why they went with steer-by-wire on those.
I never really realized the LSh uses the same engine as the GS in 3.5 form. But there was no second generation GSh powder train. The GS really needed newer updates to the engines to even try to make it live on.
I never really realized the LSh uses the same engine as the GS in 3.5 form. But there was no second generation GSh powder train. The GS really needed newer updates to the engines to even try to make it live on.
I thought I heard or read somewhere that they had originally intended on making the GS fuel cell based, but instead turned that into the Mirai. This could explain why they didn't invest in engine tech much for this gen. The other reason, is that the sales volumes didn't justify the investment.
3rd gen uses a 2GR-FSE with different intake cam phasers - wider range (60 vs 40deg), intake closing at least 4deg. later at maximum advance (practically can implement atkinson-ish operation). Max power at 6400rpm.
4th gen uses a 2GR-FXE - basically a proper atkinson-only version of the - FSE - very high compression (13:1), pretty much "forced" late intake valve closing. Max power at 6000rpm. Same transmission.
LSh - slightly changed valve timing, not sure what else of significance. Max power at 6600rpm. Separate EGR system (valve overlap apparently not enough), cooled (exhaust manifold is integrated into the head). "Multi-stage THS" (power split device followed by a 4-speed auto, obviously no torque converters/etc).
Pics:
GS350 4th gen (same as 3rd gen):
GS450h 3rd gen (2GR-FSE, different intake vvt-i, text is the same in all 3 pictures):
GS450h 4th gen (2GR-FXE, atkinson-modified 2GR-FSE):
And the 8GR-FXS (LS/LC500h/Crown S220):
Anyways, the hybrid definitely improved over the years. The drop in acceleration from the 3rd to the 4th gen - in the US & Japan only, was due to the change of the final drive (3.769 to 3.266). The 3rd and 4th gen in the rest of the world both use the 3.266 ratio. The acceleration & top speed are practically the same, but the 4th gen is obviously more fuel-efficient under all conditions.
Fair point about the GS F. But there was definitely a period of time where there was no V8 in the GS lineup. (Could be wrong)
I never really realized the LSh uses the same engine as the GS in 3.5 form. But there was no second generation GSh powder train. The GS really needed newer updates to the engines to even try to make it live on.
The 4th Gen GS hybrid is a generation ahead of the 3rd. It’s a huge improvement especially on fuel economy.
I would have gotten the GS-h instead of my current RX-h if it was not RWD-only. Living in the hills and with the occasional snow; not a good combination. Got tired of constantly filling up the old RX350, so the GS350 AWD wasn't in the cards either. Too bad. Loved those cars.
The 4th Gen GS hybrid is a generation ahead of the 3rd. It’s a huge improvement especially on fuel economy.
so. I’m looking at the reviews in hindsight.
2010 GS450h is faster ( .5 seconds to 60 mph)…and has more HP. Seems like the 4th gen GS went backwards in performance compared to the 3rd gen. Both using the 3.5V6
09-07-22, 02:07 PM
New Lexus GS Models Are Still Being Sold
Did Toyota like find one somewhere they might have forgotten about 
