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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 03:16 PM
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Nice explanation cuz I was wondering why so much too but when you put it that way it makes sense.

Figured high cost due to being a specialty item but with added sensors and software like you say, I can see it.
Yup. And its not just the radar, you have to buy the housings for it too which are molded specifically to accommodate its placement relative to the grille. So instead of ordering one part, you end up ordering five just for the sake of a different nose. Not counting the other radars and cameras mounted on the bumper. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being an almost $10K job.


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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 05:44 PM
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Good i4 review in RW mileage..

https://insideevs.com/reviews/590360...50-range-test/
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
the new one?
I definitely see them but not like previous gens - E46, E92, F32.
Also the convertible versions are MIA, maybe seen a handful if that.

Maybe its this look driving ppl away:

There was no such thing as a 4 Series until the F32 generation.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 08:19 AM
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C&D review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 08:32 AM
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I think its a good first effort. Compared to an M3P, its slower to 60mph, catches up by the 1/4th (maybe slightly behind?) and then runs away past 1/4th from the M3P. I think range is a little mediocre but not really that bad and the charging speeds are decent. I wonder how the brushed electric motors will fare over the long-term...interesting design decision. It is a heavy beast though...5k lbs and actually smaller than the Model 3 on the inside (although 4 inches longer outside). BMW will really find their stride in their next iteration as they will probably use dedicated ground up platform if i4 sells well.

Of course this car is way more premium than the Model 3 so lots of people will buy these just for that. I can't wait to see these on the road.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 08:34 AM
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how is the i4 faster than the m3p after 1/4?
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
how is the i4 faster than the m3p after 1/4?
Tuning. Newer motors and better inverters. The current M3P motors are designed and built since 2017. Actually, the new Chinese M3P with the newer inverter upgrade is running similar traps to the i4 now so who knows if the newer Model 3s are about the same speed. If Tesla gives the Model 3 the carbon sleeve motors along with newer inverters, then the M3P would most likely be faster...i doubt they will soon as I bet those are pretty expensive. I'd get another Model 3 if they released a Plaid version
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
There was no such thing as a 4 Series until the F32 generation.
4series is just a dumb name for 3series coupe, thats what i was referring to.
E46 and E92 coupes/convertibles were huge sellers. The new one I rarely see including the M versions - I think its combination of shortages and hideous styling.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I watched several review videos on youtube trying to get a screen shot under the hood for ya'll but I struck out miserably so far.
I'll keep looking post up just for fun if I find.
At least a rolling chassis and power train outline pics would be cool if I can find it.
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Won't do any good. I don't think they have conventional hoods. You'll probably find a "frunk", which sounds stupid enough and can barely hold anything.
Because the i4 is built on a conventional ICE platform (4-Series) there is no frunk. You'll find the inverter and just about everything else stuffed under there


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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
4series is just a dumb name for 3series coupe, thats what i was referring to.
E46 and E92 coupes/convertibles were huge sellers. The new one I rarely see including the M versions - I think its combination of shortages and hideous styling.
There's a number of things at play here that can't be ignored - convertibles and coupes aren't nearly as in demand as they used to be and the 4-series has moved a bit upmarket compared to the 3-series.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey689
Because the i4 is built on a conventional ICE platform (4-Series) there is no frunk. You'll find the inverter and just about everything else stuffed under there


Nice!
There's the Money Shot I was wanting to see! TY

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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 02:20 PM
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There's a number of things at play here that can't be ignored - convertibles and coupes aren't nearly as in demand as they used to be and the 4-series has moved a bit upmarket compared to the 3-series.
How has it moved up market? It’s literally the same exact car, features, powertrain etc
I had a e92 335i coupe with N54 engine and Msport pack back in the day.

The position of the 4series relative to the 3series coupe in prior generations is exactly the same.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
How has it moved up market? It’s literally the same exact car, features, powertrain etc
I had a e92 335i coupe with N54 engine and Msport pack back in the day.

The position of the 4series relative to the 3series coupe in prior generations is exactly the same.
Just purely in terms of branding and ATP. The GC/Coupe/Cabriolet surcharge is more expensive (430i vs. 330i) is wider than it used to be and with the introduction of the GC they found another way to charge more for the same thing.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Just purely in terms of branding and ATP. The GC/Coupe/Cabriolet surcharge is more expensive (430i vs. 330i) is wider than it used to be and with the introduction of the GC they found another way to charge more for the same thing.
I disagree - coupes/convertibles have always been a premium. The price difference has not changed at all.
The GC is just a 4door coupe.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
I disagree - coupes/convertibles have always been a premium. The price difference has not changed at all.
The GC is just a 4door coupe.
The coupe and sedan have never been $4k apart like they are now, the difference was half that in the past. Yes obviously the 4-series GC is a 4-door coupe. The reason it exists is because people pay more for the body style despite it having little to no benefit over the sedan. The 4-series line ATP is altogether higher than the sedan.
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