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Steve, if we keep going, all I'm going to do is keep pointing how your numbers are mostly wrong (i.e. a Palisade Caligraphy is around $55K, not $45K, and you would struggle to take GLE450 past $90K), and reasserting how a lot of your assumptions don't match up with these numbers. But we are getting way off topic, and I have no desire to write another wall of text and numbers to repeat most of what I've already said.
A Palisade Calligraphy is $55k now with the latest refresh it was $47k prior to the crazy market in the back part of 2021 and 2022. They aren’t getting the same markups that they were. GLE450s here have $10k markups as well. I know my numbers here very well.
The bottom line is, Genesis is a new company and they can’t compete with the Germans with parity on price, whether you want to admit that or not. The G90 fully loaded is $14,000 less than an S500 STARTS.
All the respect in the world for what they’re trying to do, in many ways I think they have replaced Lexus…
A Palisade Calligraphy is $55k now with the latest refresh it was $47k prior to the crazy market in the back part of 2021 and 2022. They aren’t getting the same markups that they were. GLE450s here have $10k markups as well. I know my numbers here very well.
The bottom line is, Genesis is a new company and they can’t compete with the Germans with parity on price, whether you want to admit that or not. The G90 fully loaded is $14,000 less than an S500 STARTS.
All the respect in the world for what they’re trying to do, in many ways I think they have replaced Lexus…
Regardless of how you feel about Genesis, it can't seriously be said that either the 7 or A8 are peers to the S-Class either. The 740i starts at almost $20K less than an S500 while the S8 with a TTV8 barely grazes the price of an S500. The 7 and A8 are both discount options to the S, followed by the G90 and LS.
BMW has always had more difficulty finding success at the top end than Mercedes, just look at the flop of the 8 Series compared to the AMG GT 4 Door.
The date on that article is 2/23/22 lol. That was the middle of the markup madness.
The 7 and A8 are more peers to the S Class than the G90 is. Once they are optioned, the pricing is more similar. A well optioned S8 is $140,000, thats an extremely high option S500 or a moderate option S580.
The date on that article is 2/23/22 lol. That was the middle of the markup madness.
Oh no, they're still very much capable of going that high. The only difference is now the MSRP has gone up a bit to cushion the blow. It's far from over lol.
Still doesn't hold a candle to the Telluride though, wtf
The 7 and A8 are more peers to the S Class than the G90 is. Once they are optioned, the pricing is more similar. A well optioned S8 is $140,000, thats an extremely high option S500 or a moderate option S580.
That's what I said. Closer, but still discounted. Audi and BMW simply cannot price their flagships to match an S-Class like they could an E or C.
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Oh no, they're still very much capable of going that high. The only difference is now the MSRP has gone up a bit to cushion the blow. It's far from over lol.
What dealers post cars for and what they sell for are different things. I talk to a variety of dealers on a regular basis, and believe me markups are way down from where they were. You will not find Palisades marked up $16,000 over MSRP today. Hyundai is also doubling production of both the Palisade and the Telluride, which will help a lot with supply. If I wanted to pay MSRP for a Palisade right now I could.
That's what I said. Closer, but still discounted. Audi and BMW simply cannot price their flagships to match an S-Class like they could an E or C.
Of course, Mercedes is the most desirable and the most expensive. Even the 5 to an E the E is considerably more.
Back to the 7... since I was already looking up EPA numbers, it turns out the i7 loses 3 cubic feet of space in the trunk for the battery but is still able to keep the cabin space the same because of the taller cabin.
Don't even start lol! You don't want to play that games with Hyundai not only having far more issues but once the recalls are done they got re-recalled for STILL catching on fire. It's a 3rd rate brand.
just 2 anecdotes - my 2018 g90 was flawless for 3 years and my 2021 santa fe calligraphy i have now has been flawless too.
i'm not doubting the problems you see which leads to your opinion but h/k/g has millions of satisfied customers and another over 100k in the u.s. each month.
Last edited by bitkahuna; Nov 13, 2022 at 04:49 AM.
i'm not doubting the problems you see which leads to your opinion but h/k/g has millions of satisfied customers and another over 100k in the u.s. each month.
Without question. I would buy one without hesitation.
the new 7 is SO CLOSE to being a great design! The side profile is perfection, upright with a sharp body line and Hofmeister Kink. Unfortunately the front end absolutely kills it.
the new 7 is SO CLOSE to being a great design! The side profile is perfection, upright with a sharp body line and Hofmeister Kink. Unfortunately the front end absolutely kills it.
For such a big car the proportions are just right. The rear is pretty good too, especially with the lighting on. I agree the front end doesn't seem to fit the rest of the car. Not good.
