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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 06:45 AM
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Jim Cramer On Hypocrisy Surrounding Tesla's FSD Beta: Insight


https://insideevs.com/news/555117/ji...beta/amp/?s=09

Article pasted below. Do you agree with Jim or do you think he's not making any sense?

There are hundreds of car crashes every day, but if there's an incident related to Tesla's tech, it's huge news.

By: Steven LovedayHost of CNBC's Mad Money Jim Cramer recently defended Tesla's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Beta technologies. He believes these systems are capable of saving lives, and we've seen proof that they have worked to avoid an accident. Cramer also points out that "every time there's an autonomous driving accident," it's all over the news. "The press treats it like it's the end of the world," according to Cramer

Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year. So, what is the industry doing about it? Automakers have added a host of safety systems to cars over the years, and some are now required to come as standard.

Safety technologies, such as forward collision warning and automatic emergency braking are actually included in the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's (IIHS) vehicle safety testing. In fact, to get the organization's top honors, a car must not only earn top scores in various crash tests, but also earn an "Advanced or Superior rating for available front crash prevention — vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-pedestrian evaluations."

Are these systems 100% safe and foolproof? Surely not. However, they're supposed to decrease the likelihood of a severe accident. There may be times that such features don't work correctly, and in the worst of circumstances, someone could die.

With all of that said, the main reason Tesla is under scrutiny for its semi-autonomous driving technologies is related to the way the company is testing them. Tesla's Full Self-Driving system is still in beta form, and will likely be that way for a long time. However, the company is allowing owners to test it on public roads.

The argument here would be that the tech should be tested by "professionals" in a "closed environment," which is how many of Tesla's rivals are handling their self-driving tech. However, it would probably be fair to say that no matter who tests the technology, how long it's tested in a closed environment, and how successful it becomes, there will almost certainly still be incidents once it's launched to the public. Would those incidents be attributed to human error, or would the manufacturer be held responsible?

There are many scenarios and edge cases that arguably cannot be tested unless the tech is used in real-world driving by "normal" drivers. This is how we teach our children to drive when they have their learning permits. We don't just train them in a parking lot and then hope for the best when they're on public roads.

With any new technology, there are concerns. Tesla's FSD Beta is very concerning since we've seen videos that prove that if a driver wouldn't have taken over, they may have been hurt or killed, or another innocent person may have been hurt or killed. However, thus far, the Tesla owners who are testing the technology have intervened when necessary and there have been no injuries or fatalities. It seems there may have been a few fender benders, and on that same given day, it's also likely that hundreds of people were killed in a car crash due to human error.

So, how do we handle this? Regulate the heck out of it and delay progress so that a few lives may be saved? No one wants anyone to die. If there's really a true concern that Tesla's FSD Beta is killing people, it should be banned from public roadways. However, what if banning such advanced driver-assist systems on cars leads to a whole host of deaths that could have otherwise been avoided?

We don't have the answer, and it seems no one really does. What do you think?
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 07:28 AM
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Because Tesla is so over hyped and everything becomes super controversial when it comes to anything Tesla (especially criticism)….so you see headlines regarding their failures, so it generates tons of headlines. I don’t think Tesla will be the leader in self driving….I think it will eventually stall (so will all other manufactures). Self driving will be sort of like Apple’s Siri ….somewhat useful here or there…but useless most of the time.


Here is a self driving cab crash in Ontario Canada

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/1-p...ttle-1.5711026


All that said, I don’t agree that people have to get injured/die in the process of trying to perfect self driving.

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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 08:41 AM
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FSD will never be perfect it's quite crazy to think it ever will be, or any technology. It comes down to what is acceptable vs. a human driver, the bar for a computer driving a car is much, much higher. The reasons for that are possibly impossible to explain, I would say in general people are much more forgiving of mistakes by other people than failures of technology.

I do find the claim that FSD will "never" happen quite comical. Everything is impossible until it eventually becomes the norm and we can't imagine life without it. 10 years ago anyone making the claim that Tesla would change the direction of the entire auto industry and EVs would be the future would have been (and were) laughed out of the room. Now the same voices are saying FSD is impossible, ignoring the progress that has been made.

On Jim Cramer, I don't find him all that credible in general but in this article he nails it. Props.
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 09:22 AM
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Every "can't" statement looks dumb with the passing of time. Progress always prove the naysayers wrong. Autonomous will take awhile but someone will solve it. Just like the grid will adapt to EVs and the world will eventually move away from fossil fuels as the primary source of energy for consumer transportation. It's mind boggling that people still say "can't".
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
It's mind boggling that people still say "can't".
We should all be extremely grateful to the select few that say instead, I'm going to make this a reality. Without them progress would literally never happen. And is it just me or is society becoming more and more hostile. Instead of praising and admiring innovators they are attacked, mocked, derided. Heck I've seen people on this very forum say Elon Musk should be in jail because apparently he is only interested in killing people and not making things better. His motives must automatically be sinister.

How did we get to this place?
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 09:35 AM
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Well over 90% of crashes are due at least in part due to human error. Just about anything should be a marked improvement.

Oh yeah, sensationalism sells. Elon is uber sensational, right?
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Well over 90% of crashes are due at least in part due to human error. Just about anything should be a marked improvement.

Oh yeah, sensationalism sells. Elon is uber sensational, right?
Bingo! Anybody remember watching the Covid news on the various news outlets with the huge red number of deaths during the beginning of the Pandemic. Sensationalism sells very well.
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 11:41 AM
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We don't have the answer, and it seems no one really does. What do you think?


I don't consider myself a judge of Jim Cramer's character, so I won't make any statements on it. But I will say that the hard evidence shows that excessive speed, alcohol/drugs, and driver/pedestrian errors are the three big killers on the road, with lesser-factors being vehicle-defects or poor vehicle maintenance such as worn tires or brakes. Inadequate driver-assistance systems, which are not able to gauge every driving situation, at present, DO cause some crashes, but only a very small number of them, simply because they are only in a small minority of vehicles. But, as they become more widespread, look for the number of crashes attributed to them to increase.

What we really need, IMO, is a major crackdown on speed and alcohol, more license suspensions/revocations from those violations, and greater penalties (such as jail sentences) for those who get caught driving without a license. Alcohol-breath-detectors in vehicles will also be a big step forward.....as I have stated in previous posts in other threads.

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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
What we really need, IMO, is a major crackdown on speed and alcohol, more license suspensions/revocations from those violations, and greater penalties (such as jail sentences) for those who get caught driving without a license. Alcohol-breath-detectors in vehicles will also be a big step forward.....as I have stated in previous posts in other threads.
I agree with everything you said, but its just not going to happen. The American culture is on a downward spiral toward becoming third world
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 09:48 PM
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I think it generates press interest partly because it is novel. If someone gets drunk or drives recklessly and crashes (which sadly happens way too much) we at least know who to blame. And we are somewhat inured to it because it happens pretty regularly. If an FSD system fails, we don’t know where to assign the fault. It’s a legal minefield, among other things. And obviously (I assume) we don’t want systems advertised as being able to do something they can’t.

So I don’t know that it is hypocrisy so much as novelty. Most any major technological breakthrough where failure can lead to serious injury or death is going to be heavily scrutinized.
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Kramer also said the economy now is "the strongest he's ever seen"

hes an idiot
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Old Dec 18, 2021 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RufusX
I think it generates press interest partly because it is novel. If someone gets drunk or drives recklessly and crashes (which sadly happens way too much) we at least know who to blame. And we are somewhat inured to it because it happens pretty regularly. If an FSD system fails, we don’t know where to assign the fault. It’s a legal minefield, among other things. And obviously (I assume) we don’t want systems advertised as being able to do something they can’t.

So I don’t know that it is hypocrisy so much as novelty. Most any major technological breakthrough where failure can lead to serious injury or death is going to be heavily scrutinized.
Great post, couldn’t agree more.
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Old Dec 18, 2021 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
Kramer also said the economy now is "the strongest he's ever seen"

hes an idiot
He's right. Look at the numbers.
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