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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 10:30 AM
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Just lost my job of 33 years today due to the ongoing semiconductor chip shortage
Sorry to hear....my brother in North Carolina lost his very good pharma job after 29 years...they offshored it to Costa Rica
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 12:15 PM
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Now there is apparently a shortage of copper foil used in making circuit boards, lol. We're in it until at least 2025.
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 12:23 PM
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Sorry to hear....my brother in North Carolina lost his very good pharma job after 29 years...they offshored it to Costa Rica
sorry to hear. what did he do that could be off shored?
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 12:25 PM
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sorry to hear. what did he do that could be off shored?
He was a chemist, for a pharmaceutical company. I’m not exactly sure what he did or if he still did the chemistry part.
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Originally Posted by 5gears-IS
Just lost my job of 33 years today due to the ongoing semiconductor chip shortage
i am really sorry to hear that

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yup, they have done it primarily for cost and easier supply chain (ironically) and sure, 'tried and true' but still, if there's no reason for those chips to be replaced, they haven't been.

to refute the defense of staying with old chips, i present: NASA vs. SpaceX.

the NASA space program has stayed with tried and true for decade. the space shuttle used ARCHAIC technology, but hey, it was tried and true, right?

here's the space shuttle and spacex dragon cockpits.

if smart people hadn't realized it was time for NASA to keep the dinosaurs on the ground and let more nimble companies have a go, we'd still be using that ancient tech.

meanwhile, boeing is proof that archaic is still around since they can't get their space program going. they seem to be getting further and further behind spacex. and i bet spacex isn't using old chips.

i'm very sorry to hear this! were you in sales, or manufacturing, or what?
definitely not saying it's a smart move, just explain why and how. it's always about cost, that's the biggest factor. going with newer solutions involve risks and cost in testing and qualifying, why do that when there is a cheaper proven solution? another way to think about it, if it's not pandemic, the "model" has worked very well for the past years so they had very little incentives to change.

but like i said, when it comes to the real brain of the system, all manufacturers have made a lot of moves the past couple of years. almost all of them are on much more recent tech and they are doing tons of testing and development. still it's going to be few years before that hits customers

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I started as a regular mold press machine operator back in the late 80's y quickly moved up to become a pocket leader, moved up again as a floor manager, then moved up to R&D. I was then asked to do sales management and did that for the last 20 years. The company started to die a slow death due to Covid-19 and the chip shortage was just the last strike.
I was asked to help out the floor the last 8 months and the company simply did not survived as we had little sales.

By the way our business was 85% automotive. We manufactured all the thermal acoustical parts that goes on vehicles.....things like hood insulators, dash, tunnel, doors etc....the rest of our business was architectural, ceiling tiles, wall panels, ceiling diffusers etc....
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i'm very sorry to hear this! were you in sales, or manufacturing, or what?

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Originally Posted by 5gears-IS
I started as a regular mold press machine operator back in the late 80's y quickly moved up to become a pocket leader, moved up again as a floor manager, then moved up to R&D. I was then asked to do sales management and did that for the last 20 years. The company started to die a slow death due to Covid-19 and the chip shortage was just the last strike.
I was asked to help out the floor the last 8 months and the company simply did not survived as we had little sales.

By the way our business was 85% automotive. We manufactured all the thermal acoustical parts that goes on vehicles.....things like hood insulators, dash, tunnel, doors etc....the rest of our business was architectural, ceiling tiles, wall panels, ceiling diffusers etc....
This is horrible, a lot of businesses are suffering from this nonsense. Weird times.
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As noted on how Tesla handled the chip shortage:

“Our team has demonstrated an unparalleled ability to react quickly and mitigate disruptions to manufacturing caused by semiconductor shortages. Our electrical and firmware engineering teams remain hard at work designing, developing and validating 19 new variants of controllers in response to ongoing semiconductor shortages.”
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As noted on how Tesla handled the chip shortage:

“Our team has demonstrated an unparalleled ability to react quickly and mitigate disruptions to manufacturing caused by semiconductor shortages. Our electrical and firmware engineering teams remain hard at work designing, developing and validating 19 new variants of controllers in response to ongoing semiconductor shortages.”
It doesn't say anything about fabricating those chips, and that's what's causing the shortages.
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Old Oct 5, 2021 | 01:12 PM
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It doesn't say anything about fabricating those chips, and that's what's causing the shortages.
Yes but they are able to change chip vendors or chip parts easily because they are able to code new firmware changes to their systems. Other manufacturers have a hard time with this.
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Originally Posted by Och
It doesn't say anything about fabricating those chips, and that's what's causing the shortages.
Wafer fabrication makes bare chips. By themselves, the chips can do nothing. Like a laptop computer without an operating system or apps.
Tesla is a vertically integrated technology company. They are the only car manufacturer that programs its own chips.
This gives them the ability to reuse and repurpose chips. Tesla has managed the semiconductor and supply chain issues better than other companies.
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Old Oct 5, 2021 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Wafer fabrication makes bare chips. By themselves, the chips can do nothing. Like a laptop computer without an operating system or apps.
Tesla is a vertically integrated technology company. They are the only car manufacturer that programs its own chips.
This gives them the ability to reuse and repurpose chips. Tesla has managed the semiconductor and supply chain issues better than other companies.
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bingo.... As I noted above, Tesla has some great ocba engineering talent at their disposal to drop in newer or second source parts to avoid the blunt of the chip shortages. Judging by their Q2 performance, they have far exceeded the old guard auto industry at their own supply chain games...
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Originally Posted by Och
It doesn't say anything about fabricating those chips, and that's what's causing the shortages.
You may want to reread my original post about archaic fabs and comments thereof containing Tesla....
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Old Oct 6, 2021 | 05:46 AM
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Yes but they are able to change chip vendors or chip parts easily because they are able to code new firmware changes to their systems. Other manufacturers have a hard time with this.
that's exactly right, and being able to have the option to source a whole range of different chips gives them an agility that stodgy old companies that are wholly dependent on suppliers of subassemblies using a single chip vendor don't have.

tesla is the apple of the car business. unique, creative, underestimated, disruptive, full of surprises, not for everyone, but a force that cannot be ignored, isn't going away, and getting bigger every day.
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Old Nov 1, 2021 | 02:23 PM
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Besides chips, we will soon have huge tire shortage and price increases. I've already seen a shortage of construction/industrial rubber products.

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