Originally Posted by LexFinally

...Toyota is hyper-aware of the fact that their qualithy reputation is the very heart of their sales success, and history says that ultimately they'll fix it.

Originally Posted by LexFinally

In fairness to Toyota, seems like they're getting judged from both ends here. Some on this board are grumbling that they failed to achieve consistent quality, which is true. Now this post ties their hands in the other direction, saying they should have risked an even greater chance of failure by choosing an engine design that placed even greater demands on the steel.

Toyota is the most accomplished carmaker in the world, with some of the industry's deepest pockets. They did not choose to overhaul their proven engine design and run all the risks of a brand new one just because they're not as smart as the posters on this message board. All over the industry, we've seen a mass migration to smaller and more highly stressed engines. Generally that's been in response to tightening emissions standards, which I didn't see mentioned whatsoever in this essay. It's easy for us to talk, but we're not the ones who will be hit with massive fines if we don't hit regulatory targets.

And in case you haven't noticed the past month's weather reports of highest-ever temperatures in China, India, Pakistan, Central America, and central Africa, plus the accelerating ice melt in Antarctica with resulting sea level rise that will threaten to submerge coastal areas of major cities worldwide... yes, we need emissions regulations.

Bottom line: Yes, Toyota needs to stop leaving metal shavings inside their new engine and they need to troubleshoot their waste gate. And buyers need to avoid paying top dollar for trucks that may suffer from these defects. But Toyota is hyper-aware of the fact that their qualithy reputation is the very heart of their sales success, and history says that ultimately they'll fix it.

Originally Posted by Wilson2000

Do you remember the "history" of the Toyota truck V6 head gasket issue? It took them decades to resolve it, which is unacceptable. (this, coming from one of their biggest fan-boys)! They lost my brother as a customer for life. Since all my Toyota products have been excellent, and I've owned a lot of them, I'm still buying Toyota/Lexus products, but with a lot more trepidation. I took a hard pass on the new Tundra for multiple reasons, and I'm glad I did!

When my brother had the head gaskets in his T100 replaced, he sold it immediately thereafter as he felt it would never be reliable after some recall tech got his greasy hands on it. I'm sure a lot of new Tundra owners feel equally burned, or if they don't, they should!

Originally Posted by situman

Luckily for Toyota, these engines are in relatively low volume products with the Tundra having the highest volume. Imagine the same thing happens to the 2.4t or the NA 2.5L?

Originally Posted by Toys4RJill

So Toyota has had their quality issue in the past? Did it really take them a decade?

Originally Posted by Wilson2000

1988 to 2002 were the worst years for the 3.0 V6, 2003 to 2005 were not great either. 17 years?!

Originally Posted by Toys4RJill

Do you know what the engine code is? 3VZ-FE?

Originally Posted by Wilson2000

I'm not sure it was limited to one code, and that's in part my point...it happened repeatedly for years, likely across several incarnations of the V6. I think it was mainly the truck and SUV engines.

Originally Posted by 2GRXFTW

There is literally no reason to buy a new Tundra over a domestic. If they knew they were going to have to eliminate their V8's at some point in the future, they should have started development on TTV6's many years ago. They would have had tons of time to perfect it and it wouldn't have been such a disaster.

I rarely ever see a 3rd gen on the roads. Must all be in the shop!

Originally Posted by Motorola

The TTV6 did come out years ago, in the 2018 LS500. But it was always niche and low volume.