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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by corradoMR2
MM, nice quick review. I just got my 3 a few days back and I'm aligned with you on these points:

- seats are comfy soft though missing a bit of support
- throttle response is instantaneous
- handling is crisp and very responsive
- quiet ride though a little road noise at high speed creeps in

You don't mention ride quality too much though I can say it's firmer than the Stinger (or IS) was, bordering harsh on rough roads. High PSI (45) on the tires doesn't help.

Wow. Congrats on your purchase. I cannot wait to read your review.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 08:35 AM
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Sales tax is paid on a sale for money. You don't pay sales tax when you get something free at a store--buy one, get one. So, no one pays the tax because there was no sale price. Why is this different?
Someone must pay the tax. A dealer buying gas to just give away gas (for free) does not sound legitimate. Why is it different? Because it is gas and states and provinces love to collect tax. This is just my opinion, I would like to know more. It would interesting to know if there is a dealer out there giving away free gas with their service.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 08:56 AM
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I know of a couple that have had gas pumps over the years. I can’t imagine that the costs of upkeep and insurance of having a gas tank on premises are very worthwhile. I even wonder if filling up gas for free during a maintenance service would even be permitted under various state law etc etc.
Exactly, and as environmental regs and such get stricter, it just likely doesnt make sense when they can work out a deal with a local gas station and run them down the road and gas them up. Theres one dealer I'm thinking of that had its own pump, next time I'm by there I'll drive by and see if they still have it.

In my experience lot porters and salespeople have draft accounts at stations where they run in and pay. I've been present when cars I've bought have been gassed up a couple times.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by corradoMR2
MM, nice quick review. I just got my 3 a few days back and I'm aligned with you on these points:

- seats are comfy soft though missing a bit of support
- throttle response is instantaneous
- handling is crisp and very responsive
- quiet ride though a little road noise at high speed creeps in

You don't mention ride quality too much though I can say it's firmer than the Stinger (or IS) was, bordering harsh on rough roads. High PSI (45) on the tires doesn't help.

Congrats on the car! You will love it. How was the build quality on yours? Mine was great but I know some who didn't get such nice ones (although all were before when i bought mine). I'm surprised you didn't go for the Performance version as you've bought performance cars before. The Performance version would runaway from your RCF like its standing still.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 09:52 AM
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Congrats corradoMR2
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Someone must pay the tax. A dealer buying gas to just give away gas (for free) does not sound legitimate. Why is it different? Because it is gas and states and provinces love to collect tax. This is just my opinion, I would like to know more. It would interesting to know if there is a dealer out there giving away free gas with their service.
The cargo cover, first aid kit, wheel locks and floor mats that my dealer included in my purchase without upcharge cost more than a tank of gas. I paid sales tax on the actual purchase price of my car, not an inflated price that included the value of things I wasn't charged for. What's the difference?

I agree that if the dealer runs their cars to a gas station down the street for a fill up, then the dealer is paying for the gas and any associated taxes. But consumers don't have to pay sales tax on goods and services that are provided without charge. Sales tax is calculated on sale price actually paid. Maybe it's different in Canada.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 12:18 PM
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Interesting words from the ultimate gearhead himself. High praise for someone who owns / driven every car imaginable.

https://www.teslarati.com/jay-leno-s...-for-gas-cars/
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by corradoMR2
MM, nice quick review. I just got my 3 a few days back
Thanks.....and congratulations. I didn't know you were trading in the Stinger....or did you keep it?
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 02:28 PM
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Congrats to corradoMR2 on his new 3!

And thanks to mmarshall for the detailed write-up.

I have a coworker who has a Dual Motor, and his rung up to about $58k... He had the white interior, white exterior, and premium sound system. He kept the base wheels however, which probably helped with the allegedly bad ride quality. Anyway, I'd reckon your Dual Motor example was probably more than $40-45k.

I thought it was a ton of fun to drive in the short drive he let me take in it. Stomping the pedal and getting that instant response from the motors would never get old. I would probably turn the regenerative braking down to its less aggressive setting, at least temporarily, if I owned one, as it is a tricky thing to get used to. Overall, it's a super fun car, though I have some reservations about EVs and about Tesla in general... My wife is still trying to pressure me into getting a 3 when my lease on the IS runs out but we'll see!
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Someone must pay the tax. A dealer buying gas to just give away gas (for free) does not sound legitimate. Why is it different? Because it is gas and states and provinces love to collect tax. This is just my opinion, I would like to know more. It would interesting to know if there is a dealer out there giving away free gas with their service.
With the value-added Goods and Services Tax (GST) that we have in Canada (and Ontario, specifically), it is collected whenever the product or the service is sold. So when a gasoline pump owner buys gasoline from a wholesaler, the GST is collected by the seller on the wholesale price. And if the pump owner sells gasoline at retail from that pump, the GST is collected again, on the retail price.

If a new car dealer gives gasoline away for free by including a full tank at delivery, that becomes a cost of doing business. That cost will then be recouped somehow, either as an obvious, bottom-line price on the sales contract or hidden in some other fee, such as an administrative fee or vehicle preparation fee, or included in the profit that the dealer makes on the sale of that vehicle.

And, of course GST is collected on the final sales price of the vehicle, which includes all fees and costs. Nothing comes free in sales.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 06:00 AM
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So, for the new owners here, what was the impact on insurance?

I asked my insurance agent what replacing my high mileage 430 with 3 cars. Model 3, Model S, and 2020 Corvette would cost me.

For the Model 3, it was $450 every 6 months
For the Model S, it was $980 every 6 months.
For the 2020 Corvette, it as $88 every 6 months. (she used a 2019 convertible to calculate)

Seems to be a hidden cost that nobody talks about. I wonder what owners here are seeing.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 06:03 AM
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My Model 3 Performance is $90 more per year vs my IS350 with the exact same plan.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
So, for the new owners here, what was the impact on insurance?

I asked my insurance agent what replacing my high mileage 430 with 3 cars. Model 3, Model S, and 2020 Corvette would cost me.

For the Model 3, it was $450 every 6 months
For the Model S, it was $980 every 6 months.
For the 2020 Corvette, it as $88 every 6 months. (she used a 2019 convertible to calculate)

Seems to be a hidden cost that nobody talks about. I wonder what owners here are seeing.

No offense, but you might (?) want to double-check that Corvette figure....it may (?) be a typo or misunderstanding. For the same coverage-limits as the Tesla, it would more likely be $88 a month, not for 6 months. For any significant policy-limits on a new Corvette, I can't imagine an $88 for 6 months...that's only $176 a year.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
So, for the new owners here, what was the impact on insurance?

I asked my insurance agent what replacing my high mileage 430 with 3 cars. Model 3, Model S, and 2020 Corvette would cost me.

For the Model 3, it was $450 every 6 months
For the Model S, it was $980 every 6 months.
For the 2020 Corvette, it as $88 every 6 months. (she used a 2019 convertible to calculate)

Seems to be a hidden cost that nobody talks about. I wonder what owners here are seeing.
Are you saying the figures above are the amount OVER what you pay for your 430 every six months? Or that's what you would pay total for that car for six months? BTW, There's no way the Corvette figure is accurate.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 06:25 AM
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I believe he means more than what he’s paying.
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