Lexus basically made the wrong bet that there is no market for mid size performance sedans.

Or that they don’t want to compete in this space.

 

The car in middle of the top lead pic looks just like my SC400, color and all 👀

 

Toyota is dead.
Cars are high tech electronic devices.
They will evolve at the same pace as cell phones, laptops and TV's.
Tesla is so far ahead no legacy carmaker has much of a chance.
The worst positioned is Toyota. (Hydrogen? LOL)
And no one is going to say the king has no clothes to the inbred running the company who is a direct descendant of the guy who started the company.
Especially in Japan.
After 25 years, 13 new Lexus cars.. All LS, LX and a single GS.. I'm waiting to take delivery of my TESLA Model S Plaid.

Bankrupt within 10 years... Doesn't matter what they do now.
For sale 2014 LEXUS LS 460 F-SPORT and 2018 LEXUS LX 570.. Excellent condition.. Enthusiast owned.

 

Why? F cars mainly only sell in the US, pretty much nobody in the US wants or is going to buy a EV Lexus performance sedan/coupe, it would get no sales, ICE cars still make up 97+% of cars sold in the US.

It is difficult for Lexus to do F cars since they have only had mediocre at best success with them and they don't have really have a engine for one or them. They have to be priced lower and likely a little less hardcore in the ride department but have better acceleration/high hp to gain any success. It sounds like the tt V8 is dead so they don't have many good options, the best rout is they could take the old normally aspirated F motor and bump the power to over 500hp and do the normal mods to make it handle better, it won't have the accel numbers of competitors but it won't cost a fortune to do that and may find a market if they price it right. If they won't do the V8 then for smaller/lower end models like a IS-F or RC-F they could tune the 3.5tt for over 500hp but I don't think it will work out very well, that engine was not designed to be a performance engine, it was designed to go in a LS, many buyers may be like why am I going back down to a V6 for a more expensive higher performance model when the IS below it has a really nice V8 and it will still come very much down to pricing. Other brands may do some higher performing cars on turbo 6 cylinders but they have much more recognition, success, and appeal with those cars and they don't have a 8 cylinder option sitting below them.

 

I don't think anything you predicted is going to happen or is true.

 

Lexus better not be releasing re-badged GR86 with hybrid setup as rumors suggest. The whole point of that car is lightweight and balance, which will be ruined.

They need to make a new RC coupe and RC grandcoupe (4door).

They also badly need a sporty RWD based SUV to take on X5, GLE, Cayenne at the $65k+ price point. All these things are so obvious, Toyota is just asleep at the wheel.

 

A lot of unsupported presumptions...

However, you did touch on something interesting. If Lexus can't sell F globally, it makes no sense to keep it alive. Thus, the only way to let F be globally accepted with tightening emissions is to electrify it- which is the direction it will be headed in, along with Toyota as a brand.

 

If they can find a way to do a hybrid V6 situation without a CVT, that'd be okay by me. Especially if it involves the twin-turbo 6.

 

Lexus hybrids use eCVT which is really PSD (power split device), not the conventional CVT you are thinking

 

But a power still device is still a CTV in the case of Toyota. Can anyone tell the difference?

 

I am aware; my point is that I'd prefer if neither of those things were in an F car.

 

The only similarity between them is they share is the 'CVT' part of the name, and not feeling the step change common to traditional automatics. ToMoCo was wrong to name it that, but it is what it is. Yes you can tell the difference, traditional CVT's have a 'rubber-band' effect.

CVTs use a metal belt or chain running between two pulleys which are designed to spread open or squeeze closed under hydraulic pressure, forcing the belt or chain to ride higher or lower in them. The advantage of this system is the vehicle’s computer can quickly and continuously adjust the pulleys to whatever ratio is required for peak efficiency because it isn’t physically limited by gears.

eCVT's use electric motor/ generators to control the speeds of planetary gear-set components. This allows the eCVT to continuously change the gear ratio, keeping the engine’s rpm in the sweet spot. The design is also extremely robust.

 

Will the discussions here get noticed by anyone or forwarded to Lexus/Toyota or is this for us just to discuss/ramble amongst ourselves?

 

A true F vehicle should improve on the wider body, keep vented fenders, keep the cooled/heated seats, add in bigger/better stopping power of course with orange calipers, latest ML sound system, new distinct wheels, front bumper lower lip and unique rear wing, racing suede black/a little bit of red F embroidered seats, black exterior trim instead of chrome, carbon roof like German competitors, sleek ambient lighting, all LED lighting inside/out, a new key fob and door chime, a new race inspired steering wheel, an active exhaust for those weekend but also a daily mode (we love the stacked pipes!), and most importantly more power/unique handling touches with twin turbos(keep it reliable please)! I hope Lexus reads this comment!🤞

 

^^ Well that’s a hell of a first post! I love everything you said and it would be awesome if Lexus built something like this but I just don’t see it happening but one could always wish.