I would love to see what Tesla could do with 4 wheel steering. GMC Hummer has some new crab walk….your move Cybertruck

 

And when MERCEDES starts following, you know you're the innovator. Think of the times that has happened in the last 30 years, I can only think of one other time and thats when Lexus launched. Look at the EQS and Mercedes new interior/infotainment layout, thats all Tesla.

 

Agree completely. Everyone arguing against this looks like plain haters in denial. Its amusing to even argue the influence they had in the industry in the last 5 years. The other hilarious arguments i've heard are that straightline performance doesn't mater....what? Lambo, Ferrari, and Porsche have all been evolving their cars in the last 50 years to make them faster. Here comes Tesla and completely crushes them...just stomps them in straight-line now and suddenly...it doesn't matter. LOL. Please. Again, disruption taking place as the Plaid is the fastest accelerating production car ever made for only $130k. Sorry but not going to let anyone just dismiss this accomplishment.

 

the disappointment in the EQS is going to be the 5700lb weight. I don’t even know if that is just the base.

 

Its classic moving the goalposts. I don't even care for Teslas and even I can see the accomplishments and the impact. What I find amazing is how many time Elon has said "we will achieve this" and everybody says "Oh hes crazy that will never happen" and then he achieves it lol

Why? Why does the weight matter if the range, performance and characteristics are there? It doesn't. EVs are way heavier than gas cars.

 

Some of the accomplishments are quite fascinating. As for the impact, I’m also interested in how legacy automakers react and what roadblocks are ahead for the EV space. But kudos to some of the interesting Tesla innovations

 

it matters in the same way it matters for vehicles with an engine.
- performance
- fuel usage
- handling

EQS is 516kg heavier than Model S, which means to match its range, it has to have bigger battery, which is not only heavier but also slower to charge and more expensive.
Then you will have much slower 0-60 performance, but not only that, what you do not see in WLTP test is when you actually accelerate, it will spend a lot more electricity simply because that huge weight disadvantage.

So yeah, being 1100 lbs heavier than main competition matters a lot.

 

I agree tesla is disruptive and hugely innovative! I also agree ICE makers have been playing catch up. where we probably disagree is the size of the gap. Innovation will come rapidly from other players. And teslas, as we all know, have unique qualities that not everyone finds appealing. The EV market will grow. Tesla's share of that market will shrink but with a growing pie their sales can definitely increase. We'll see.

Really? I don't get saying mercedes is copying tesla and i'm not a hater. Tesla is amazing. But the EQS is NOTHING like a Model S. Yes they both have screens. They're both EVs. They're both cars. but how exactly has mercedes 'copied' tesla with the EQS? Yes like tesla it's futuristic and electric but that doesn't mean they're copying, any more than the taycan is copying. Is the audi etron-gt copying too? Looks NOTHING like any tesla.

not sure who argued that... tesla has obviously had a giant influence since they started.

It is an AMAZING accomplishment. And yes, it's hard to see where brands like lambo go from here. Ferrari will likely continue to sell everything they can make for years. I don't believe ferrari's are ever bought for being the fastest, etc.

Agreed!

 

This is the comment that Steve made about the interior layout/screens that is copying Tesla - it actually started with the ICE S class and now the EQS. I made this comment as well on another thread a while back when the interior of the latest S-class was revealed.


No, EZZ is referring to the "Sentry mode" that was rolled out to Tesla's in 2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30537731/tesla-sentry-mode-foils-break-in/#:~:text=Tesla's%20Sentry%20mode%20launched%20in,feature%20could%20help%20nab%20criminals



When I said the above, you said No below. No as in what I mentioned above is not correct? And yes they are collecting vast amounts of data - that's not really news. As far as "privacy" issues go I don't see that as just a "Tesla" thing. Our privacy started eroding a long time ago when Google came into the picture.

 

I agree with you Bit. IMO, the greatest innovation will be the company that can get the costs to built to be super low as well as having the longest lasting battery. I think Ford will be interesting to watch as their new F150EV is all baked into the regular F150 gas and hybrid so costs should come down. I dunno. Fun times!!!!

 

This is a great example of "faint praise"

The fact that we are interested to see how "legacy automakers" (which itself is a term thats devised to just somehow denigrate Tesla) react is proof of the huge impact Tesla has made on the industry.

When we're talking about EVs, the normal rules go out the window. The EQS is a dedicated luxury sedan, I have not read one negative review about its driving performance. The "much slower 0-60 time" is 4 seconds 0-60, which almost all consumers are satisfied with, and the car has excellent range. So...how is the weight a problem?

I would take an EQS all day long over a Model S and I wouldnt even give the weight a second thought.

Disagree.

If it werent for the Model S...there would be no EQS. THATS the point. Tesla is the entire reason the car exists. Like was said above though the copying from a design perspective speaks to their interior layout. Even the hyperscreen, if it weren't for Tesla...there would be no hyperscreen.

Lots of people here have diminished that, you included.

 

I don’t think I have ever said Tesla did not have an impact.

 

You just understate the scope of that impact because you dislike Tesla.

 

never understated. I don’t dislike Tesla either and I think I have said that I like Elon as well.

I am gonna take the high road here.

 

There's no high road to take, everybody has biases and they're on full display here from multiple people. Thats not an insult, its human nature.

I personally am biased to like companies like Tesla because I value innovation and hustle and disruption over the status quo.