Definitely. Nothing is free, they build maintenance costs into the pricing. I guess the correct way to state it is, "nothing additional will come out of my pocket". The cost of leasing the Ioniq, including insurance and power usage is cheaper than my wife driving the fully paid off 2013 Sienna. Not by much, but enough where parking it for now is the best thing for both of our pocket books.

 

Brake fluids....battery coolants on some Teslas... cabin air filters on Lexus UXEV If someone bought the Hyundai, they'd lose the warranty if not proof of service.

 

Brake fluid is probably every 50K to 60K, battery coolants probably way over 100K as battery coolant is not put through the same stress as cooling an ICE engine. After driving the Ioniq all day, I touched the coolant housing and it was not even warm. More like room temp. Air cabin filters we can do ourselves

 

Battery coolant is no longer a service item for any Teslas. They found it lasts the life of the vehicle. cabin air filters are required once every 2 years. Tesla will actually come to your house and replace for $35 if you schedule mobile service. Takes 10 min. Brake fluid will be inspected every 2-3 years. I expect if you live in colder climates, you would need to change once every 2-3 years. Warmer climates, probably once every 4 years.

This is significantly less than any ICE. I wonder how dealerships are going to survive.

 

See my above response. I touched the coolant reservoir after driving all day on the Ioniq and it wasn't even warm. Even in the summer or a cold day when there is heavy battery use I'm sure it doesn't even get hot. Not sure how they are going to survive either. They will probably invent services like dealerships have been doing

 

Thanks for an interesting discussion. NO maintenance other than just tires is not what Hyundai recommends/requires or Tesla.

Thanks for a good (somewhat misleading) discussion.

 

If you consider inspections as maintenance, then OK I concede to your point. Yes, there is some other maintenance items other than tires, but these are not significant, are at much longer intervals and cost much less. So let me then restate that EV's have much, much less maintenance and costs associated with them over their lifetime then cars with ICE

 

Again, I told you that air filters need replacing. So you pointed out the AC and cold winter brake caliper work. It's not misleading to say that EVs need a fraction of the work that an IcE requires. Your Toyota will cost magnitudes more money to maintain and fuel compared to my EV. Low cost of ownership is the one of the strongest value propositions to an EV and dealerships are in serious danger once the transition occurs.

 

I would consider whatever the factory scheduled maintenance guide states in order to not void any warranties. I have no interest in leasing...I like to keep my Toyota's/Lexus cars for a long time. Of course there are maintenance items that I myself would skip....but I wouldn't want my new car to have a voided warranty etc. I have also been around long enough to know that brakes/rotors eventually wear out or rust thus needing replacement, 10 year or longer and apparently Tesla's need annual inspection for brakes in cold climates like mine where my Toyota's do not. All that said, Mazda 3 uses a regen braking system as well in their non-hybrid 3s for fuel economy gains (battery recharging)... I hope you can see my alternate POV.... I agree there are reduced operating costs for EVs...but not eliminated like some claims have been made.

 

I stated earlier that EV's are not for everybody. But they are the future, Toyota and Lexus are going the same direction, just using Hybrid as a bridge. With 10 year 100K battery warranty there is no reason not to buy one. I only leased because it was a compromise I made with my wife so I didn't have to sell the Sienna. A bridge if you want to call it that. When the 3 year lease is up on the Ioniq, you bet I'm going to sell the sienna and buy her either a Ford Mustang Mach-e or similar. By then it will have 400 mile range plus 10-15 minute charging.

As far as the maintenance schedule you posted for the Ioniq, in the 2 years and 9 months left, other than the $190 a month lease payment, none of those items is costing me any additional money OOP, unless the brakes and tires wear out. Tires are Michelins with 60K warranty so I'm sure those won't wear out and I'm pretty sure brakes on these will last the duration of my lease

 

ok well this thread is about leasing an EV. From your sig at least the last car you bought was 7 yrs ago and it was a corolla. Respectfully, the car world has changed vastly since. As you know, i recently bought (and then sold) a mint 2014 toyota camry. Great car but i couldn't get past all the modern safety features it didn't have or the fact that it was MUCH noisier than modern cars. I think if you drove a 2021 corolla and compared it to your 2014 you'd be shocked.

Anyway, since this thread is about leasing, your favorite company (not), hyundai, provides leases with all maintenance included. Sure that's factors into the price, but it means no out of pocket at all. It's a nice feeling. Gas was my only expense on my g90 i had for 3 years. As you i sold the camry i owned and leased a 2021 santa fe, which for me worked out great (waaaaay lower payments than buying one), 3 years is fine to have inexpensive transportation and with the car world changing so fast i don't want to drive anything for work more than 3 years old. Now the LC500 i bought is a different story, i hope to keep that for many years as a unique fun dinosaur (nat v8, bad infotainment, etc., but a HOOT to drive and beautifully made).

Looks like that capacitor based regen was dropped a few years ago as it was pretty worthless.

https://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/20...eive-new-tech/

 

On that, I'll respectfully disagree....seven years hasn't made much difference. The Corolla, except for a couple of versions with the lower-profile tires, has always been smooth/quiet and refined, especially by compact-sedan standards. The only sedan that size I have seen that is quieter is the Buick Verano....and that's because it's packed full of Buick Quiet-Tuning features, and, even then, you still got some noise from the Ecotec-4 engine and 45-series tires, on bumper, in the winter when the tires were cold and hard...but not in the summer.

 

I'm not a big Hyundai fan, but they have come a long way in quality. And they offer some of the best leases I've seen, especially on their EV's. Tax, license, maintenance...$190 a month! Add insurance and the monthly cost of electricity, it's cheaper to drive than my paid off Sienna. If I had bought it, different story. It's around $37k minus Government EV credits ($7500 fed, $2800 state).
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I'm one of those people who hate modern infotainment systems, digital gauges etc. Give me analog gauges and physical buttons and ***** LOL! Not a fan of crash mitigation technology, although with all the bad drivers in the Bay area, it's probably saved lives.

And lastly, your LC500. One of my favorites. That NA V8 is music to my ears. In a few years I may sell my IS350 and replace it with either a 4th gen GSF, or maybe an LS460

 

great deal for sure!
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Whats funny is the new santa fe i have has a sea of buttons and ***** for climate, seat heating/cooling, drive modes, etc. and the quirky lc500 is sorely lacking buttons (none for seat heating/cooling has been a frequent complaint by many).

 

This morning I went to fill up my IS350 at Costco, Regular: $3.59 per gallon, Premium: $3.79 per gallon (the IS takes Premium, the Sienna Regular). Cost for my wife to charge her Ioniq: $1.33 per eGallon. If you factor in the lease, add in another $15 per month. It's definitely cheaper for my wife to commute to work in the Ioniq vs the Sienna. At least so far...