My thoughts on leasing an EV
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Definitely. Nothing is free, they build maintenance costs into the pricing. I guess the correct way to state it is, "nothing additional will come out of my pocket". The cost of leasing the Ioniq, including insurance and power usage is cheaper than my wife driving the fully paid off 2013 Sienna. Not by much, but enough where parking it for now is the best thing for both of our pocket books.
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The entire maintenance list are inspections. The only thing on there where they actually have to do anything is the tire rotation. No one is going to pay anything for those maintenance items and I doubt anyone is going to go in for that. Besides tire stuff, nothing to do for an EV.
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Brake fluid is probably every 50K to 60K, battery coolants probably way over 100K as battery coolant is not put through the same stress as cooling an ICE engine. After driving the Ioniq all day, I touched the coolant housing and it was not even warm. More like room temp. Air cabin filters we can do ourselves
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Brake fluids....battery coolants on some Teslas... cabin air filters on Lexus UXEV
This is significantly less than any ICE. I wonder how dealerships are going to survive.
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Battery coolant is no longer a service item for any Teslas. They found it lasts the life of the vehicle. cabin air filters are required once every 2 years. Tesla will actually come to your house and replace for $35 if you schedule mobile service. Takes 10 min. Brake fluid will be inspected every 2-3 years. I expect if you live in colder climates, you would need to change once every 2-3 years. Warmer climates, probably once every 4 years.
This is significantly less than any ICE. I wonder how dealerships are going to survive.
This is significantly less than any ICE. I wonder how dealerships are going to survive.
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Brake fluid is probably every 50K to 60K, battery coolants probably way over 100K as battery coolant is not put through the same stress as cooling an ICE engine. After driving the Ioniq all day, I touched the coolant housing and it was not even warm. More like room temp. Air cabin filters we can do ourselves
The entire maintenance list are inspections. The only thing on there where they actually have to do anything is the tire rotation. No one is going to pay anything for those maintenance items and I doubt anyone is going to go in for that. Besides tire stuff, nothing to do for an EV.
Thanks for a good (somewhat misleading) discussion.
Hyundai:
This is what I found on the US Hyundai site for the EV.
5,000 miles*
5,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
10,000 miles*
10,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
15,000 miles*
15,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect 12V Battery Condition
• Inspect Air Conditioning Compressor, Air Conditioner Refrigerant
and Performance
• Inspect Brake Fluid
• Inspect Brake Pedal
• Inspect Cooling System
• Inspect Disc Brakes and Pads
• Inspect Driveshafts and Boots
• Inspect Steering Gear Rack, Linkage and Boots
• Inspect Suspension Ball Joints & Mounting Bolts
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Inspect brake lines, hoses and connections
• Replace Climate Control Air Filter (for evaporator and blower unit)
• Tire Rotation
20,000 miles*
20,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
25,000 miles*
25,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
30,000 miles*
30,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect 12V Battery Condition
• Inspect Air Conditioning Compressor, Air Conditioner Refrigerant
and Performance
• Inspect Brake Fluid
• Inspect Brake Pedal
• Inspect Cooling System
• Inspect Disc Brakes and Pads
• Inspect Driveshafts and Boots
• Inspect Steering Gear Rack, Linkage and Boots
• Inspect Suspension Ball Joints & Mounting Bolts
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Inspect brake lines, hoses and connections
• Replace Climate Control Air Filter (for evaporator and blower unit)
• Tire Rotation
35,000 miles*
35,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Reduction Gear Fluid (if necessary replace)
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
40,000 miles*
40,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
45,000 miles*
45,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect 12V Battery Condition
• Inspect Air Conditioning Compressor, Air Conditioner Refrigerant
and Performance
• Inspect Brake Fluid
• Inspect Brake Pedal
• Inspect Cooling System
• Inspect Disc Brakes and Pads
• Inspect Driveshafts and Boots
• Inspect Steering Gear Rack, Linkage and Boots
• Inspect Suspension Ball Joints & Mounting Bolts
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Inspect brake lines, hoses and connections
• Replace Climate Control Air Filter (for evaporator and blower unit)
• Tire Rotation
50,000 miles*
50,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
• Tire Rotation
55,000 miles*
55,000 Mile Factory Required Service
• Inspect Tire Pressure and Condition
TeslaCabin Air Filter
Your Tesla is equipped with an air filter that prevents pollen, industrial fallout, road dust and other particles from entering through the vents. Tesla recommends replacing your cabin air filter every 2 years.
High Efficiency Particulate Air (HEPA) Filter
If your Tesla is equipped with a HEPA filter, Tesla recommends replacing it every 3 years.
Tire Rotation, Balance and Wheel Alignment
Tesla recommends rotating your tires every 6,250 miles or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in or greater, whichever comes first. Aggressive driving can lead to premature tire wear and may require more frequent tire service. Unbalanced and misaligned wheels affect handling, tire life and steering components. Refer to tire manufacturer's owner manuals and warranty documentation for additional details.
Brake Fluid Test
Tesla recommends testing brake fluid for contamination every 2 years and replacing as needed.
Air Conditioning Service
An air conditioning service replaces the desiccant to help the longevity and efficiency of the air conditioning system. Tesla recommends an air conditioning service every 2 years for Model S, every 4 years for Model X and Model Y and every 6 years for Model 3.
Winter Care
Tesla recommends cleaning and lubricating all brake calipers every 12 months or 12,500 mi for cars in cold weather regions.
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If you consider inspections as maintenance, then OK I concede to your point. Yes, there is some other maintenance items other than tires, but these are not significant, are at much longer intervals and cost much less. So let me then restate that EV's have much, much less maintenance and costs associated with them over their lifetime then cars with ICE
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Thanks for an interesting discussion. NO maintenance other than just tires is not what Hyundai recommends/requires or Tesla.
Thanks for a good (somewhat misleading) discussion.
Thanks for a good (somewhat misleading) discussion.
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If you consider inspections as maintenance, then OK I concede to your point. Yes, there is some other maintenance items other than tires, but these are not significant, are at much longer intervals and cost much less. So let me then restate that EV's have much, much less maintenance and costs associated with them
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I would consider whatever the factory scheduled maintenance guide states in order to not void any warranties. I have no interest in leasing...I like to keep my Toyota's/Lexus cars for a long time. Of course there are maintenance items that I myself would skip....but I wouldn't want my new car to have a voided warranty etc. I have also been around long enough to know that brakes/rotors eventually wear out or rust thus needing replacement, 10 year or longer and apparently Tesla's need annual inspection for brakes in cold climates like mine where my Toyota's do not. All that said, Mazda 3 uses a regen braking system as well in their non-hybrid 3s for fuel economy gains (battery recharging)... I hope you can see my alternate POV.... I agree there are reduced operating costs for EVs...but not eliminated like some claims have been made.
As far as the maintenance schedule you posted for the Ioniq, in the 2 years and 9 months left, other than the $190 a month lease payment, none of those items is costing me any additional money OOP, unless the brakes and tires wear out. Tires are Michelins with 60K warranty so I'm sure those won't wear out and I'm pretty sure brakes on these will last the duration of my lease
Last edited by AMIRZA786; Mar 14, 2021 at 03:46 PM.
Anyway, since this thread is about leasing, your favorite company (not), hyundai, provides leases with all maintenance included. Sure that's factors into the price, but it means no out of pocket at all. It's a nice feeling. Gas was my only expense on my g90 i had for 3 years. As you i sold the camry i owned and leased a 2021 santa fe, which for me worked out great (waaaaay lower payments than buying one), 3 years is fine to have inexpensive transportation and with the car world changing so fast i don't want to drive anything for work more than 3 years old. Now the LC500 i bought is a different story, i hope to keep that for many years as a unique fun dinosaur (nat v8, bad infotainment, etc., but a HOOT to drive and beautifully made).
Mazda 3 uses a regen braking system as well in their non-hybrid 3s for fuel economy gains (battery recharging)...
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/20...eive-new-tech/
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
I think if you drove a 2021 corolla and compared it to your 2014 you'd be shocked.
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ok well this thread is about leasing an EV. From your sig at least the last car you bought was 7 yrs ago and it was a corolla. Respectfully, the car world has changed vastly since. As you know, i recently bought (and then sold a mint 2014 toyota camry). Great car but i couldn't get past all the modern safety features it didn't have or the fact that it was MUCH noisier than modern cars. I think if you drove a 2021 corolla and compared it to your 2014 you'd be shocked.
Anyway, since this thread is about leasing, your favorite company (not), hyundai, provides leases with all maintenance included. Sure that's factors into the price, but it means no out of pocket at all. It's a nice feeling. Gas was my only expense on my g90 i had for 3 years. As you i sold the camry i owned and leased a 2021 santa fe, which for me worked out great (waaaaay lower payments than buying one), 3 years is fine to have inexpensive transportation and with the car world changing so fast i don't want to drive anything for work more than 3 years old. Now the LC500 i bought is a different story, i hope to keep that for many years as a unique fun dinosaur (nat v8, bad infotainment, etc., but a HOOT to drive and beautifully made).
Looks like that capacitor based regen was dropped a few years ago as it was pretty worthless.
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/20...eive-new-tech/
Anyway, since this thread is about leasing, your favorite company (not), hyundai, provides leases with all maintenance included. Sure that's factors into the price, but it means no out of pocket at all. It's a nice feeling. Gas was my only expense on my g90 i had for 3 years. As you i sold the camry i owned and leased a 2021 santa fe, which for me worked out great (waaaaay lower payments than buying one), 3 years is fine to have inexpensive transportation and with the car world changing so fast i don't want to drive anything for work more than 3 years old. Now the LC500 i bought is a different story, i hope to keep that for many years as a unique fun dinosaur (nat v8, bad infotainment, etc., but a HOOT to drive and beautifully made).
Looks like that capacitor based regen was dropped a few years ago as it was pretty worthless.
https://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/20...eive-new-tech/
I'm one of those people who hate modern infotainment systems, digital gauges etc. Give me analog gauges and physical buttons and ***** LOL! Not a fan of crash mitigation technology, although with all the bad drivers in the Bay area, it's probably saved lives.
And lastly, your LC500. One of my favorites. That NA V8 is music to my ears. In a few years I may sell my IS350 and replace it with either a 4th gen GSF, or maybe an LS460
I'm not a big Hyundai fan, but they have come a long way in quality. And they offer some of the best leases I've seen, especially on their EV's. Tax, license, maintenance...$190 a month! Add insurance and the monthly cost of electricity, it's cheaper to drive than my paid off Sienna. If I had bought it, different story. It's around $37k minus Government EV credits ($7500 fed, $2800 state).
I'm one of those people who hate modern infotainment systems, digital gauges etc. Give me analog gauges and physical buttons and ***** LOL! Not a fan of crash mitigation technology, although with all the bad drivers in the Bay area, it's probably saved lives.
And lastly, your LC500. One of my favorites. That NA V8 is music to my ears. In a few years I may sell my IS350 and replace it with either a 4th gen GSF, or maybe an LS460
And lastly, your LC500. One of my favorites. That NA V8 is music to my ears. In a few years I may sell my IS350 and replace it with either a 4th gen GSF, or maybe an LS460
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This morning I went to fill up my IS350 at Costco, Regular: $3.59 per gallon, Premium: $3.79 per gallon (the IS takes Premium, the Sienna Regular). Cost for my wife to charge her Ioniq: $1.33 per eGallon. If you factor in the lease, add in another $15 per month. It's definitely cheaper for my wife to commute to work in the Ioniq vs the Sienna. At least so far...