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Oh, I get that. EV's are not for everybody and every part of the country. But they will get there. Californians didn't start adopting EV's right away, it took 10 years. And in a few years when they charge in 15 minutes and have ranges around 400 miles, you will be able to rely on them as a primary car. That's coming very soon
agree it's only going to get better from here on out! my friend who also got a hyundai ev (kona though), had to get it out of state because hyundai doesn't sell there here. he had a volt before that and almost never put gas in it for years of his commute back and forth to work. he LOVES the kona he got. i went in it, and it's very nice, but noisier (road noise) than i would have expected, and it's not super fast, but certainly fast enough. it's perfect for his needs, but for family hauling duties he has an ICE suv as well.
agree it's only going to get better from here on out! my friend who also got a hyundai ev (kona though), had to get it out of state because hyundai doesn't sell there here. he had a volt before that and almost never put gas in it for years of his commute back and forth to work. he LOVES the kona he got. i went in it, and it's very nice, but noisier (road noise) than i would have expected, and it's not super fast, but certainly fast enough. it's perfect for his needs, but for family hauling duties he has an ICE suv as well.
I looked at the Kona as well, but it was over my budget as I was looking to break even parking my van and leasing an EV. EV's make a bit more road noise because...no engine sound plus they over inflate the tires to get better range
apparently vw is offering aggressive lease rates on new id.4 and includes a bunch of electrify america charging (their own network).
You mean VW is finally going to have a reliable vehicle that doesn't constantly break?? LOL 😂. But seriously, electrification of vehicles is knocking at our doorstep. European countries, China, India, Canada and some US states are jumping full in. Ford and GM are invested heavily. Toyota and Lexus have been building bridges through Hybrids. Sky net is waiting to go online
]This is all I can say: people who are anti-EV have never driven or owned one and are getting their info on them from fake news put out by the fossil fuel industry. I was very skeptical of EV's, until I actually drove one. [/b]Living in Silicon Valley, I have so many co-workers that drive EV's and they say "I can never go back to a regular car". Now I understand what they mean. And all that range anxiety talk...it's way over-blown. In three months of driving we've never ran into an issue of being low on charge. And we drive this thing a lot, we already have almost 4000 miles on it.
There are fast chargers everywhere here, over 30K of them. They are at shopping centers, hotels, places of work, but we have never had to use one. We plug the car in at home after 9PM, and it's fully charged by the morning. The lowest the charge has ever gotten with driving all day all day, with a couple of trips to the East Bay is 50 percent. We do have I beleive have ChargePoint in case we need to hit a charger
thats quite a powerful statement.
EV’s no doubt have their place but to say those of us that are Anti-EV get our info from fake news or propaganda from the fossil fuel industry is not only wrong it’s insulting. I don’t think you realize how pompous this statement is.
I don’t drive one (making me a it ev) as my trips are 400 miles round trip (sometimes in 45 below where range drops by 40% in EV’s)and our electricity is derived from coal making them the dirtiest vehicle one can drive and quite frankly irresponsible to drive.
when rolling blackouts hit your wife will be glad she still has the Sienna.
EV’s have their place.
enjoy your car, no need to insult others.
your wife loves the minivan because of memories. Keep it, she’s worth it!
thats quite a powerful statement.
EV’s no doubt have their place but to say those of us that are Anti-EV get our info from fake news or propaganda from the fossil fuel industry is not only wrong it’s insulting. I don’t think you realize how pompous this statement is.
I don’t drive one (making me a it ev) as my trips are 400 miles round trip (sometimes in 45 below where range drops by 40% in EV’s)and our electricity is derived from coal making them the dirtiest vehicle one can drive and quite frankly irresponsible to drive.
when rolling blackouts hit your wife will be glad she still has the Sienna.
EV’s have their place.
enjoy your car, no need to insult others.
your wife loves the minivan because of memories. Keep it, she’s worth it!
I didn't mean that as an insult, and I truly apologize if you took it that way. The reason I made that statement is because 99 percent of arguments I've heard against EV's and EV adoption is just plain false. I did say in later posts that EV's are not for everyone, and not every state is ready for EV adoption. As for rolling blackouts, I've lived in California most of my life (I'm 53 years old), and the only rolling blackouts I've ever experienced was in 2001 when California had a completely deregulated market controlled by companies like Enron, kind of like what Texas has today. Last summer we did have 2 or 3 days where the electric grid was extremely taxed due to a combination of wildfires and unusual heat, the grid being taxed the most between 3PM and 9PM, but 99 percent of people charge after 9PM because the EV rates are lowest. I have lots of friends and co-workers who own Tesla's as their primary car (as well as other EV's), and not a one has ever had an issue charging.
I love that minivan as well and I would love to keep it, but unfortunately we are heading into the empty nester situation with both kids no longer being kids anymore, and it's just too much of a gas guzzler for one person to use for their work commute, and the kids being in college, family trips are not a frequent. That and I have 4 cars already (including the Ioniq) and paying insurance on a car that is just mostly sitting is a waste of money.
Again, my apologies if you were offended. Unfortunately like politics, defending EV adoption is going to rub someone the wrong way
No question the EV/ICE argument can be a heated one just no need to bash, that's all.
As for justifying your need to unload what your wife wants to keep, again no need. Everything in life costs money and if keeping what your wife wants is not worth it to you, then get rid of it.
FWIW I'd very likely be driving an EV too in that stop and go gridlock.
Enjoy the ride, EV's are great, in fact much of my investment portfolio is EV related. However I still understand how much our lives depend on FF.
No question the EV/ICE argument can be a heated one just no need to bash, that's all.
As for justifying your need to unload what your wife wants to keep, again no need. Everything in life costs money and if keeping what your wife wants is not worth it to you, then get rid of it.
FWIW I'd very likely be driving an EV too in that stop and go gridlock.
Enjoy the ride, EV's are great, in fact much of my investment portfolio is EV related. However I still understand how much our lives depend on FF.
Thanks for the advice, again not bashing anyone. My wife is actually fine with getting rid of the van now that she's been driving an EV for over 3 months, as long as I replace it with a longer range EV when the time comes. Her biggest fear was range anxiety, which is actually overblown.We've never hit less than 50 percent, even driving all day, and even if we get low, there is never a fast charger more than 5 minutes from us. 15 minutes on a fast charger will give us an 80 percent charge
Again, my apologies if you were offended. Unfortunately like politics, defending EV adoption is going to rub someone the wrong way
There's a huge difference between "defending EV adoption" and claiming that everyone who has an opposing position is speaking from a position of ignorance or due to "fake news". Thank you for resolving this interaction civilly, but let's keep it civil from the get-go, folks.
There's a huge difference between "defending EV adoption" and claiming that everyone who has an opposing position is speaking from a position of ignorance or due to "fake news". Thank you for resolving this interaction civilly, but let's keep it civil from the get-go, folks.
That was definitely a strong statement that I should not have made, I just hear so much misinformation from people regarding EV's. I did clarify in a later post that EV's are not for everyone.
I see you have an LFA and an ISF. I'm drooling........
My wife currently drives a 2013 Toyota Sienna and she absolutely loves that van. Over the years we've used it for family trips, hauling stuff etc. and it's a workhorse that now has 145K on it. But now are two kids are grown, one is in University the other is heading to University next fall. She currently works as a Pharmacy tech and moves between a few pharmacies. Her commute can be anywhere from 30 miles to 50 miles a day and more when she goes shopping. So as you can imagine, she mainly drives it on her work commute and shopping, so that 3.5L V6 is not fuel efficient. In gas alone she was spending around $200 a month. Also that van eats through tires and brakes, which ain't cheap. So I began looking into replacing the Sienna, but the problem is, my wife loves it. She also has a ton of nostalgia due to all the trips we took in it over the years with the kids. So I had to figure out a way to hold on to it, and at the same time get her a vehicle that's roomy, comfortable, and efficient. The answer was an EV.
I won't get into all the details, but I looked into several EV's, including Tesla, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt etc. did a bunch of test drives, put numbers down to paper, and in the end, I ended up leasing a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq EV in November. And it was the best decision I made all year! It wasn't the most powerful, nor did it have the longer ranges of some of its competitors, but what it did offer was the best value. 178 miles on a full charge, 10 year powertrain warranty, and $190 a month for a 36 month lease ($3500 down, I got back $2000 from the State of California and $800 back from PG&E, our local utility company). It's not only a very nice looking car, but well built with leather seats, fully loaded and very easy to use infotainment system. It only has 138 hp, but EV motors don't need a lot of power because of the amount of torque they produce. In a gasoline engine, 138 hp is a no go, but with an electric motor it's like driving a 180 hp 4 cylinder. It's extremely smooth at 80 mph on the highway, and has a pretty awesome self driving mode when using the adaptive cruise control.
But the best part is what it costs us to drive...between my solar and the EV plan I am on, about $55 a month in electricity costs. And the best part...My wife or I just plug it in at night before we go to bed and it's fully charged and ready to go in the morning. No gas stations to visit. And if ever in a pinch there are more than 30,000 charging stations in our area that are no more than 5 minutes away.
My plan over the next 3 years is to wean my wife off of her van, and when our lease is up to sell the van and replace it with a Ford Mustang Mach E. Right now the Mach E gets about 300 miles on a charge, but in the next 3 years they will probably have a 400 mile fast charge battery. Also with the current administration favoring EV's, I anticipate tax credits going up and prices of EV's going down
Congrats on your new Hyundai. Looks good and I like the color. I don’t think it is ugly at all
I am not sure I follow the argument you are making. There is nothing EV on the market that can replicate what the Sienna is supposed to do. Equivalent of a V6, lots of cargo capacity. Strong reputation for reliability. Strong resale. Just looking at the prices that you paid for your new Hyundai, if you factor out the federal tax credits, and ELANTRA GT has more power and is about the same size and costs so much less. $13K less. All that said, new 2021 Sienna starts at $34K which Is a $1000 more than the Ionic.
I would never ever lease. So I’m not sure if that range that this vehicle has, is worth keeping for the long-haul. That is a lot of plug it in and plug it out every day for a very long time if you want to keep your car 10 years. Or 15. Or 25 years.
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Congrats on your new Hyundai. Looks good and I like the color. I don’t think it is ugly at all
I am not sure I follow the argument you are making. There is nothing EV on the market that can replicate what the Sienna is supposed to do. Equivalent of a V6, lots of cargo capacity. Strong reputation for reliability. Strong resale. Just looking at the prices that you paid for your new Hyundai, if you factor out the federal tax credits, and ELANTRA GT has more power and is about the same size and costs so much less. $13K less.
I would never ever lease. So I’m not sure if that range that this vehicle has, is worth keeping for the long-haul. That is a lot of plug it in and plug it out every day for a very long time if you want to keep your car 10 years. Or 15. Or 25 years.
I'm not actually trying to replicate the Sienna, I actually want to downsize and get into something smaller, more efficient and more practical. Leasing the Ioniq is actually cheaper than the cost of driving and maintaining my fully paid off Sienna. Gasoline alone was costing me around $230 a month. Oil changes another $120 a year. It eats through brakes and tires every 2 years. The Ioniq costs me roughly $55 a month doing the same driving. The electric motor does most of the braking so brakes about every 5 years. No other maintenance except tires.
It's also not about power or performance. That being said, EV motors outperform ICE, any day of the year. They have so much torque, and it's instant so you don't need a lot of hp. The Ioniq only has 138 HP, but it performs as well as an ice with 180 HP. A Tesla model 3 can beat most high powered V8's, at least from a dig 0 to 60. If you haven't driven an EV, just try one out.
I love ICE cars, I have an IS350, a 2006 Camry SE (3.3L V6), and a 2013 Sienna, but I can see how much better EV's are, and their potential. In about 5 years from now when they can go 400 miles on a charge and charging times are 10 to 15 minutes, the barriers to adoption will start to collapse. Not having the charging infrastructure all over the country is another barrier, but a country as great as ours, that will be overcome. If Europe has done it, China is doing it, we can do it better
I'm not actually trying to replicate the Sienna, I actually want to downsize and get into something smaller, more efficient and more practical. Leasing the Ioniq is actually cheaper than the cost of driving and maintaining my fully paid off Sienna. Gasoline alone was costing me around $230 a month. Oil changes another $120 a year. It eats through brakes and tires every 2 years. The Ioniq costs me roughly $55 a month doing the same driving. The electric motor does most of the braking so brakes about every 5 years. No other maintenance except tires.
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I realize that you were not trying to replicate a Sienna. Was just trying to mention that there is nothing that replaces an Sienna in EV form, the title of the thread was about your thoughts on leasing an EV..so I was just looking for a counterpoint for some comments...as for brakes, I have never changed my Corolla 14 brakes, they are original with 7mm on front and 4.5mm on the rear....I think it is all how you drive. I am sure if you drive an EV with a very aggressive attitude, brakes will wear. My 04 4R is now 17 years old and I just changed the brakes for the third time this past summer as they were rusting...that is two brake pad/rotor changes over 17 years...my 09 Matrix is on its 2nd set of brakes/rotors
I have followed the new EV cars that are being released . It is interesting to see what is coming....Porsche lets you turn OFF regen braking...I wonder if some cars will not have regen braking to help save on costs in the lower end of the segments
Congrats on your Ionic EV...Looks like a good fit for you... Color is amazing.
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I realize that you were not trying to replicate a Sienna. Was just trying to mention that there is nothing that replaces an Sienna in EV form, the title of the thread was about your thoughts on leasing an EV..so I was just looking for a counterpoint for some comments...as for brakes, I have never changed my Corolla 14 brakes, they are original with 7mm on front and 4.5mm on the rear....I think it is all how you drive. I am sure if you drive an EV with a very aggressive attitude, brakes will wear. My 04 4R is now 17 years old and I just changed the brakes for the third time this past summer as they were rusting...that is two brake pad/rotor changes over 17 years...my 09 Matrix is on its 2nd set of brakes/rotors
I have followed the new EV cars that are being released . It is interesting to see what is coming....Porsche lets you turn OFF regen braking...I wonder if some cars will not have regen braking to help save on costs in the lower end of the segments
Congrats on your Ionic EV...Looks like a good fit for you... Color is amazing.
I changed my Is350 brakes 4x during my almost 60k miles of ownership. My current Brakes are like new at almost 20k miles and I drive far more aggressively in my Tesla. My stopping distances and brake fade are better also in my Tesla. EVs have a significant advantage in this area.
I realize that you were not trying to replicate a Sienna. Was just trying to mention that there is nothing that replaces an Sienna in EV form, the title of the thread was about your thoughts on leasing an EV..so I was just looking for a counterpoint for some comments...as for brakes, I have never changed my Corolla 14 brakes, they are original with 7mm on front and 4.5mm on the rear....I think it is all how you drive. I am sure if you drive an EV with a very aggressive attitude, brakes will wear. My 04 4R is now 17 years old and I just changed the brakes for the third time this past summer as they were rusting...that is two brake pad/rotor changes over 17 years...my 09 Matrix is on its 2nd set of brakes/rotors
I have followed the new EV cars that are being released . It is interesting to see what is coming....Porsche lets you turn OFF regen braking...I wonder if some cars will not have regen braking to help save on costs in the lower end of the segments
Congrats on your Ionic EV...Looks like a good fit for you... Color is amazing.
You are right that there is no EV equivalent. The closest would be the new Sienna Hybrid. The reason it eats through brakes and tires is because it's about 5 times heavier than the cars you mentioned. I owned a 1995 Corolla and needed brakes about every 5 years. Even had the original clutch when we got rid of it in 2015 at over 200k. My wife doesn't drive aggressive at all, it's just the nature of minivans.
My IS350 is the same way, it eats through brakes and tires. That I can put some blame on aggressive driving, but it's also the nature of that particular car
