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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 09:10 AM
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interesting, mercedes and lexus sold almost the exact same # of vehicles in 2020, putting aside the mercedes (sprinter) vans which is another 50k units (and no doubt highly profitable).
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Default GM takes 2020 full-size pickup sales crown (when you combine GMC and Chevy)



It's no secret that 2020 was an unconventional year for auto sales. Extenuating circumstances or not, it was a year of upheaval even for ever-resilient (and ever-profitable) pickups, with General Motors taking the crown from Ford in the full-size segment.

The Ford F-Series still outsold every other full-size pickup nameplate in the country by a significant margin. It's only when you combine GM's Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra variants that you get a number that exceeds Ford's. This isn't really a new phenomenon, either. In fact, it was only somewhat recently that Ford took the overall full-size crown away from GM, and not only did Ford widen the gap in recent years, but Ram has once again become a legitimate challenger, even managing to outsell the Silverado by a healthy margin in 2019, but never coming close to the F-Series in terms of total volume.

But, 2020 being 2020, things got weird yet again. Ram remains relevant, of course, but Ford got caught with its pants down thanks to the one-two punch of COVID and the generational changeover of the core F-150 model, which resulted in a production interruption as the company's assembly facilities transitioned from building the old 2020 model to the new-for-2021. This perfect storm, as it turns out, was sufficient for GM to walk away with the full-size crown.

Full-size 2020 pickup sales:
  • GM total: 847,110
  • F-Series: 787,422
  • Silverado: 594,094
  • Ram: 563,676
  • Sierra: 253,016
  • Tundra: 109,203
  • Titan: 26,439
As you can see, Ram slipped back behind Silverado, slotting comfortably into third place. The Silverado 1500 had a flat year, but the heavy- and medium-duty variants bucked the trend and contributed to a slight uptick in sales for the nameplate, while F-Series tumbled more than 12% (nearly 110,000 units), opening the door for GM to steam ahead.

There were similarly significant shakeups in the midsize truck segment. First, 2020 was the first full year of retail sales for the Gladiator pickup, which surged to fourth place behind the stalwart Tacoma, Ranger and Colorado. GM's combined sales of the Colorado and Canyon are good enough for second place by manufacturer, but nowhere close to what it would take to dethrone Toyota. Jeep's immediate impact on this segment is clear, and even if its volumes don't end up matching those of the Colorado or Ranger, it's obviously going to be a relevant player going forward.

Midsize:
  • Tacoma: 238,806
  • GM total: 121,248
  • Ranger: 101,486
  • Colorado: 96,238
  • Gladiator: 77,542
  • Frontier: 36,845
  • Ridgeline: 32,168
  • Canyon: 25,190
With production of the 2021 F-150 in full swing, we expect Ford to make a play for the No. 1 spot again this year, and the Blue Oval has more tricks up its sleeve for its bread-and-butter half-ton, with a new Tremor model arriving and the Raptor on the horizon.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
People LOVE body on frame. Just look at all the trucks that are sold for high $$$ these days.
trucks are body on frame because they are designed to haul and tow very heavy loads. for suvs it's largely irrelevant unless you have to tow some giant trailer or boat or something.
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Sure...why not? The best selling vehicle in the US is body on frame. Top 3 actually. I think Toyota sells about 500K body on frame in the US each and every year.
Certainly for pickup trucks, its owners are more informed and discerning. However, the avg luxury SUV buyer of say the GX and QX may not know what BOF means. Certainly my dealer didnt say anything.
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
trucks are body on frame because they are designed to haul and tow very heavy loads. for suvs it's largely irrelevant unless you have to tow some giant trailer or boat or something.
I wouldnt say irrelevant. The frame adds a certainly level of solidity, ruggedness and durability that you just dont get in something like the RX.
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I wouldnt say irrelevant. The frame adds a certainly level of solidity, ruggedness and durability that you just dont get in something like the RX.
Thats because of the lower end architecture of the RX. If you look at a higher end unibody crossover like say an X5 or X7 or GLS or Range Rover thats not the case.
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 02:32 PM
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Certainly for pickup trucks, its owners are more informed and discerning. However, the avg luxury SUV buyer of say the GX and QX may not know what BOF means. Certainly my dealer didnt say anything.
Id say Toyota and Lexus body on frame owners are more informed than most. There is a very strong following worldwide. They also still have BIG V8 engines or a large V6 in my new 4Runner...makes a big difference in feel. The Toyota and Lexus stuff have very high satisfaction rates.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Id say Toyota and Lexus body on frame owners are more informed than most. There is a very strong following worldwide. They also still have BIG V8 engines or a large V6 in my new 4Runner...makes a big difference in feel. The Toyota and Lexus stuff have very high satisfaction rates.
I see a lot of women driving GXes in NY. Just wondering if they are even aware that it is a BOF like you do.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Thats because of the lower end architecture of the RX. If you look at a higher end unibody crossover like say an X5 or X7 or GLS or Range Rover thats not the case.
I still dont get the same feel in higher end Lexus architectures in a GS or the LS460. I have ridden in an X5 before, maybe 5yrs ago, and I still felt the front passenger footwell flexing over bumps, although I'm not sure what model yr it was, they all look the same to me.
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Originally Posted by GS69

I am always amazed at how well the QX80 sells. At the >$70k price point, I would have thought the average buyer would go German. Sales totals for the year:
  • X7: 20,579, -4.6%
    • QX80: 16,125 -15.6%
      • Q8: 12,074, -15%
        • LX: 4,512 -5%
          • Altho this does start at $15k higher


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
People like body on frame.
just occurred to me the x7 which outsells them all, is not body on frame.
i've not driven one but it gets rave reviews and is 'solid'.
i think part of the perception of 'solid' feel with BOF comes because the body is separate from the frame so there is some can be some built in isolation to bumps, etc.
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Originally Posted by situman
I still dont get the same feel in higher end Lexus architectures in a GS or the LS460. I have ridden in an X5 before, maybe 5yrs ago, and I still felt the front passenger footwell flexing over bumps, although I'm not sure what model yr it was, they all look the same to me.
I don't feel the footwells flexing in *any* car lol
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
just occurred to me the x7 which outsells them all, is not body on frame.
Yup, not to mention that the best-selling midsize SUV of all time is the Highlander, while the best-selling lux SUV is the RX. Both are unibody. Body-on-frame SUV's are a niche audience in the U.S.
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Yup, not to mention that the best-selling midsize SUV of all time is the Highlander, while the best-selling lux SUV is the RX. Both are unibody. Body-on-frame SUV's are a niche audience in the U.S.
Is it really niche if you take all BOF together? They probably make up more than half of the total annual vehicles sales in the US.
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Yup, not to mention that the best-selling midsize SUV of all time is the Highlander, while the best-selling lux SUV is the RX. Both are unibody.
I would not call those SUVs.....crossovers is a better reference.

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just occurred to me the x7 which outsells them all, is not body on frame.
i've not driven one but it gets rave reviews and is 'solid'.
i think part of the perception of 'solid' feel with BOF comes because the body is separate from the frame so there is some can be some built in isolation to bumps, etc.
The most expensive SUVs from Lexus, Cadillac, Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz are all body on frame....I'm cool with that
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Originally Posted by situman
Is it really niche if you take all BOF together? They probably make up more than half of the total annual vehicles sales in the US.
BOF trucks and SUV's can't be counted as the same thing. All the BOF SUV's combined don't equal the F150 in annual sales.
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