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Old Aug 29, 2020 | 06:29 AM
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I actually think the gated shifters are more precise. I don't see how they take up more room than a fore-aft shifter.

Drove another S560 last night, I kind of like their little column mounted shifter.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I actually think the gated shifters are more precise. I don't see how they take up more room than a fore-aft shifter.
You are correct.....they don't take up any more space. I just find them a little more annoying to use than the straight fore/aft motion.

Drove another S560 last night, I kind of like their little column mounted shifter.
Though I have not test-driven some of the very latest Mercedes models in the last couple of years, one thing I found annoying about Mercedes stalks, for years, is that they put two stalks on the left-side of the steering column.....one for the turn-signals, and another, right next to it, for the cruise-control. Until you get used to it (or you squint down at the fine print on them, taking your eyes off the road) it can be very easy to mix them up......on several M-B test-drives I did, I ended up fiddling with the cruise-control when I meant to signal a turn.

At least, that won't happen wth the transmission stalk, which is on the right side of the column.

Does the S560 still have those double-stalks on the left, or have they redesigned the cruise-control?
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 07:38 AM
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They did away with the second cruise control stalk in 2018. They have buttons on the wheel now.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
They did away with the second cruise control stalk in 2018. They have buttons on the wheel now.

Good. That's a big improvement. I'd wager it was from at least some customer complaints.

Toyota and Lexus used a small-but-thick, stubby, parts-bin cruise-control talk down on the lower right side of the wheel for many years (still do on some models, I think), but it is not likely to cause confusion, as it is much different in look and feel from the larger wiper/washer stalk above it. The former Mercedes system was just asking for confusion.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
That tranny stalk is ridiculously big especially because its electronically controlled. A much smaller one will be just as functional and probably look 100x better


Originally Posted by tex2670
What if we all just agreed to disagree?
where's the fun in that?

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Fascinating to see some of the members complain about a Toyota or Lexus gated shifter when they don’t even own a Toyota or Lexus and maybe haven’t or never have since they went to the gated designs.
we all comment about all sorts of brands we've never owned, you included. and that's ok.

I will reiterate, they are simple to use and a very nice design....you need to OWN these cars to understand. Never had to look at what gear the car is in at is gives feedback (almost like a haptic) way. I also have the button design in our 450, I hate it. Same with the button design in the new 2019 Avalon...I hate it too.
even the now 20 year old Lexus RX300 i had did not have a gated shifter, just up/down with the button.



it was fine and i liked how lexus had it up high more on the dash, providing a nice space between the seats.

So far, the nicest E shifter I have ever seen is the LC500 design. Very classy
i agree it's very elegant.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:18 AM
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^ That old RX had the ugliest dash design, that center stack just looks like a urinal.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Och
^ That old RX had the ugliest dash design, that center stack just looks like a urinal.

Urinals aren't covered with highly-polished wood LOL.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:23 AM
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I've seen better looking urinals than the fake wood in cheaper Lexus models, lol.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Urinals aren't covered with highly-polished wood LOL.
You just aren't going to the bathroom in the right places.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:34 AM
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My first Lexus was a 2001 RX300, I really liked it including the dashboard since it was a little different than what I was used to. Mine had a wood steering wheel and gear shifter so it looked nice. The only thing I really hated was the turning radius.
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Originally Posted by Och
I've seen better looking urinals than the fake wood in cheaper Lexus models, lol.
Lexus doesn't (or at least didn't in RX300 era) use fake wood. I still think they use genuine wood currently.

That RX300s (real) wood looks pretty fake, though. I remember car reviewers mentioning it.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Lexus doesn't (or at least didn't in RX300 era) use fake wood. I still think they use genuine wood currently.

That RX300s (real) wood looks pretty fake, though. I remember car reviewers mentioning it.
The reason it looks fake is simply too much polish and high-gloss finish on it. Tastes may vary, but, in general, IMO, the best wood or wood-tone finishes are matte or semi-matte.

Jaguar, for example, once made that mistake with the very dark (almost black) wood in its sport-oriented R-series. It was so highly polished, and so dark, that it looked almost like cheap black shiny-plastic LOL
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Lexus doesn't (or at least didn't in RX300 era) use fake wood. I still think they use genuine wood currently.

That RX300s (real) wood looks pretty fake, though. I remember car reviewers mentioning it.
There isn’t much wood in that pic so it doesn’t help. My wood steering wheel was really nice. My shifter on the other hand didn’t really match the rest of the wood and looked a little off. You could tell it was real wood based on the grain and the non-uniform look it had.
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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meanwhile back to shifters (and not wood, or urinals lol)...
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 11:54 AM
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There's a editor's blurb in the newest C&D (Cayman v C8) about shifters I just read about 5 minutes ago, lol.



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