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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 02:15 PM
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I have heard multiple times on many different podcasts (many times) that a CVT will outperform an automatic if the engines were the same. Same with a CVT over a manual
my real life experiences definitely don't agree with that... and without clearly defined gears that can be quickly switched between, when you actually want to start going the initial response can be quite sluggish unlike a sharp gear change

i literally can't think of one serious sports / supercar that uses a CVT, there must be a reason for that
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
my real life experiences definitely don't agree with that... and without clearly defined gears that can be quickly switched between, when you actually want to start going the initial response can be quite sluggish unlike a sharp gear change

i literally can't think of one serious sports / supercar that uses a CVT, there must be a reason for that
CVTs can't handle much torque. Tends to blow up in high performance applications so its safer to stick with DSG or traditional auto.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 02:24 PM
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i literally can't think of one serious sports / supercar that uses a CVT, there must be a reason for that
Rumor has it, there was Formula 1 race car in the 90s that had a CVT and it was 800+ and it was banned. The reason why you see no CVTs is because do not prefer the experience of a CVT after a certain price point.

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/f1-t...3-video/34642/

The Subaru WRX has a manual or a CVT.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
my real life experiences definitely don't agree with that... and without clearly defined gears that can be quickly switched between, when you actually want to start going the initial response can be quite sluggish unlike a sharp gear change

i literally can't think of one serious sports / supercar that uses a CVT, there must be a reason for that

As EZZ also mentioned, the drive-belts on CVTs can only handle so much torque before they slip, break or fail. That is why, for years, you only saw them on relatively low-lowered fours....only recently have they been expanded to somewhat larger powerplants.
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i think it's very harsh to call the person who died a moron or an idiot. they made a bad choice with terrible consequences. they have parents maybe, siblings, friends, significant other... all who are grieving about the loss.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 03:43 PM
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Nooooo thanks on a CVT. That has singlehandedly destroyed my enthusiasm for the Nissan and Infiniti brands, and I used to be a huge fan.

I used to have a really, really sick Maxima SE that was a 5speed years ago. Other than my LS it was by far my favorite vehicle I've owned.

Now Maximas don't even cross my radar I have no use for one.

CVTs are the worst, while an automatic can be quite pleasant if done right.

Also, I doubt a Prius could maintain 100MPH on anything but level straight roads with wind direction in its favor.
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Nooooo thanks on a CVT. That has singlehandedly destroyed my enthusiasm for the Nissan and Infiniti brands, and I used to be a huge fan.

I used to have a really, really sick Maxima SE that was a 5speed years ago. Other than my LS it was by far my favorite vehicle I've owned.

Now Maximas don't even cross my radar I have no use for one.

CVTs are the worst, while an automatic can be quite pleasant if done right.

Also, I doubt a Prius could maintain 100MPH on anything but level straight roads with wind direction in its favor.
I agree. They also don't belong in the left hand lane
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I agree. They also don't belong in the left hand lane

Or on the road at all....

Hate to make a generalization but Prius drivers are also the worst.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Or on the road at all....

Hate to make a generalization but Prius drivers are also the worst.
I don’t agree. Nothing wrong with people who drive Prius cars.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don’t agree. Nothing wrong with people who drive Prius cars.

https://jalopnik.com/science-confirm...wor-1120783177


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We have long ragged on BMW drivers for their terrible parking skills and general *******ry, and Toyota Prius drivers for their holier-than-thou smugness. Now, it has been confirmed — through the miraculous power of science — that their owners are, in fact, terrible and inconsiderate motorists.



Our old pal Benjamin Preston reports in the New York Times on a study done by the Institute of Personality and Social Research at the University of California Berkeley which links poor driving habits and wealth. Basically, rich people are more likely to be jerks behind the wheel.

The researchers examined how motorists in California behave when approaching intersections with pedestrians, where they are required to stop, as well as how well they take turns at four-way stop intersections.

What they found is that people in luxury cars, specifically BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes, were much more likely to flout traffic laws and go when it's not their turn at intersections. Said researcher Paul K. Piff:
Mr. Piff said about eight of every 10 cars “did the right thing.”

“But you see this huge boost in a driver’s likelihood to commit infractions in more expensive cars,” he said. “In our crosswalk study, none of the cars in the beater-car category drove through the crosswalk. They always stopped for pedestrians.”

[...] “One of the most significant trends was that fancy cars were less likely to stop,” said Mr. Piff, adding, “BMW drivers were the worst.”
And in the San Francisco Bay Area, where the status-symbol Prius was marked down as a luxury vehicle, researchers found their drivers to have a higher tendency to commit traffic infractions than most.

Listen, it makes sense when you think about it. The Rich are busy. They have places to be, things to accomplish, deals to execute, unlike The Poors, who are content to drive slowly and courteously as they waste their lives suckling from the teat of the government.

So the next time a BMW driver parks across three handicapped spaces, or a Prius driver blows ahead of you at an intersection when it was your turn to go, don't get angry. That would be tantamount to class warfare. Instead, be inspired by their success and think of ways you too can aspire to their level of greatness.


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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don’t agree. Nothing wrong with people who drive Prius cars.
Didn't say all. But definitely some. I've had plenty of issues with Prius drivers, and when I lived in LA they thought they ruled the road.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Or on the road at all....

Hate to make a generalization but Prius drivers are also the worst.
Originally Posted by AJT123
Didn't say all. But definitely some. I've had plenty of issues with Prius drivers, and when I lived in LA they thought they ruled the road.
I am sure there are some idiot LS430 owners as well. My experience with Prius people and LS people has always been pleasant.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I am sure there are some idiot LS430 owners as well. My experience with Prius people and LS people has always been pleasant.
LS drivers are never, ever a problem.
Old Oct 3, 2019 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
LS drivers are never, ever a problem.
LOL. Ok. The Yukon drivers? 👀
Old Oct 4, 2019 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
LOL. Ok. The Yukon drivers? ��
Actually this guy in one the other day I had an issue with. The guy didn't realize that when the turning car (me) isn't crossing traffic to turn onto another street, it has the right of way. Same year as mine just white and in a little better cosmetic shape.



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