That's true, and while the Lexus 5.0 may be long in the tooth, it is a true gem. Smooth, reliable, venerable.

There's no hate, simply bringing up a major player. And Buick has changed their focus of late, but their history has had V8's and the wild GNX of the 80's

 

Once again you're grouping based on parents and dismissing prior statements but whatever. Uh yeah the Type R 2.0T will smash on almost ANY 2.0T not just from Lexus BMW 2.0T?? GM 2.0T?? Yes you are correct about the 300C having a 5.7L option. Again you have 5.0, 3.5L V6 supercharged, upcoming GR SS and LC F powertrains. Toyota is not dead last, you just seem glass half empty and impatient with ToMoCo. Run some 0-60s in your Model 3, you'll feel better

 

I'm impatient because i've been waiting a long time. The Type R 2.0L is good but not the best. The 2L turbo from Mercedes and Audi are probably better. BMW 2L it heavily underrated. 0-60 in 5.3 seconds...yeah GM 2L sucks. I'm criticizing Toyota for what they've brought out in the last 10 years...focused on Hybrids and no performance options. Toyota as a major company is dead last from the major auto manufacturers in this department. Their strongest motor is weaker than the other parent companies by far and I hold to that assertion.

I do plenty of runs in my Model 3 and it does make me smile I've had 6 Toyota/Lexus products so you can think I'm a Tesla homer but i'm willing to bet i've had as many Toyotas as a good lot of them.

 

The only 'performance' 2.0T's are the Type R, AMG45, and RS3. There are much more plebeian ones from those makes and the Lexus one, Infiniti etc.. I wouldn't have called those ones performance to begin with.

To each their own, the 5.0 always makes me smile. Yamaha tuned, when the VVT-i kicks in, it sounds like an outboard and wails. I just find it funny that 471hp out of a 5.0L is somehow inferior to say the C8's 495hp at 6.2L. It's simply just a different take on performance with NA where say the Germans are all going FI. Not everyone will have apples to apples despite people wanting that. I personally love the linear feeling but that's just IMO. The LC F 4.0TT and the replacement for the NA 3.5 are probably 2 years out.

I have no problem with you loving your Tesla. I just called you a homer because of several threads in Car Chat based on your posts. My good friend works at the Fremont factory and brings different Models home now and then which I get to play with, they're fun.

 

I don't really care if someone calls me a homer. This is all in good fun. I made it a mission just to stop the FUD on Tesla and EVs. I think i've accomplished that so closing the other thread doesn't bother me one bit. I had a 2nd gen Supra in HS and loved that car... I wanted an ISF with the 3rd Gen IS but Lexus went RC and GS only. I am disappointed they didn't up the ante on the Lexus IS V6...its been stagnant way too long and they've pretty much left the GS for dead. My disappointment with Toyota comes out in these forums

 

As you say, it's all in good fun and no animosity. If anything good just discussion, and playing devils advocate. respect good sir

 

Some people may care but not NEARLY as many as those who care about another ISF. It really makes no sense to me why Lexus would make a GS F and abandoned the ISF. The ISF is what's missing badly from Lexus, a powerful saloon to compete with everybody else. Even the Infiniti Red Sport is as fast as the GSF. Spend a couple hundred on a JB4 and you're beating the GSF pretty bad. Lexus needs to step their game up.

 

Lexus never abandon the IS F. It's simply been on hiatus. Unlike the 2IS IS F which came from a skunkworks project, the 3IS was never intended to have an F variant. The 4IS is a different story, and a version of the V35A-FTS should power the next IS F.

 

I think the issue for the 5.0 is that it has been out for a long while. I know it had been reworked and such but it has been a while, so with that, instant criticism. I don’t know what it is about Car Chat but it is so negative towards the Lexus brand and Toyota for some reason. I think the new RCF track is a work of Art, the carbon hood, roof and trunk is just awesome in how they made it like a racing strip down the middle to my eyes. People should happy there are still V8 coupes at different price points coming out of Lexus. To think back 20, 30 or even 40 years, and to consider what Toyota is offering via their luxury division is astonishing. So many choice for so many people.

 

Isn't the Macan FWD based too?

 

Yes and no. It has a transaxle, so that technically makes it FWD-based. But the engine is mounted longitudinally with the transaxle mounted behind it, in much the same layout as you'd see in a RWD car--FWD-based cars usually have the engine turned sideways and sitting on top of the transaxle. It is also heavily rear-biased, as you'd find in any RWD-based AWD car. And the Macan S offers a rear LSD, which you would pretty much never see in a FWD-based car.

 

Is anyone really pining for or going to buy a really expensive tuned NX or any Lexus CUV/SUV? I don't think there is any market or demand for it.

 

There definitely is a market for it. Macans and GLC AMG's are selling very well, so will the SQ3 and the X3 M once they hit the roads.

 

But those drive like a slightly taller sport sedan. An NX-F would drive like a slightly taller turbocharged Corrola.

 

I don't get it. You might as well dismiss any potential for a future IS-F on the same grounds. I would expect the current TTV6 to provide a solid power train for an IS-F or NX-F.