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I read an article that they are currently testing Lidar on the Semi and cybertruck
https://electrek.co/2023/02/17/tesla...-lidar-sensor/
https://electrek.co/2023/02/17/tesla...-lidar-sensor/
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"if it looks about the same on the outside there must be no other improvements"
Not great logic. But I understand the paradigm you're used to, legacy auto changes the surface stuff and does minor iterations everywhere else. Take for example the engine in your car the basic design goes back to 2006.
Legacy auto being Blackberry and Tesla being the iPhone is becoming more true every day.
Not great logic. But I understand the paradigm you're used to, legacy auto changes the surface stuff and does minor iterations everywhere else. Take for example the engine in your car the basic design goes back to 2006.
Legacy auto being Blackberry and Tesla being the iPhone is becoming more true every day.
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What I think Bit is trying to say. If I'm wrong he can chime but don't think so he's saying mostly changes to save costs. That is not accurate there are substantial improvements right down to the FSD computer, cameras, and other changes we don't know about yet.
Cost savings don't involve an entirely new FSD computer that has new processors, at least initially I'm betting overall this update will cost Tesla more. The R&D alone for the FSD processor is not cheap.
Cost savings don't involve an entirely new FSD computer that has new processors, at least initially I'm betting overall this update will cost Tesla more. The R&D alone for the FSD processor is not cheap.
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What I think Bit is trying to say. If I'm wrong he can chime but don't think so he's saying mostly changes to save costs. That is not accurate there are substantial improvements right down to the FSD computer, cameras, and other changes we don't know about yet.
Cost savings don't involve an entirely new FSD computer that has new processors, at least initially I'm betting overall this update will cost Tesla more. The R&D alone for the FSD processor is not cheap.
Cost savings don't involve an entirely new FSD computer that has new processors, at least initially I'm betting overall this update will cost Tesla more. The R&D alone for the FSD processor is not cheap.
Another member did that a couple days ago... it's not productive, and is rude.
Legacy auto being Blackberry and Tesla being the iPhone is becoming more true every day.
that's what the article says. i was just summarizing.
That is not accurate there are substantial improvements right down to the FSD computer, cameras, and other changes we don't know about yet.
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i'll take mis-quotiing for $100 alex.
yeah the iphone 14 was a complete waste of time and barely any different than the iphone 13.
that's what the article says. i was just summarizing.
so it's not accurate because of things no one (outside tesla) knows about yet. got it. as for the fsd computer (assuming you mean hw4, i thought that's already appearing at least in X/S but is it confirmed anywhere that hw4 won't arrive in 3 until highland?
getting rid of rare earth magnets is cost reduction again and eliminating RARE things, i.e., supply constraints. smart moves. how do we know that change will make anything quieter or more efficient?
yeah the iphone 14 was a complete waste of time and barely any different than the iphone 13.
that's what the article says. i was just summarizing.
so it's not accurate because of things no one (outside tesla) knows about yet. got it. as for the fsd computer (assuming you mean hw4, i thought that's already appearing at least in X/S but is it confirmed anywhere that hw4 won't arrive in 3 until highland?
getting rid of rare earth magnets is cost reduction again and eliminating RARE things, i.e., supply constraints. smart moves. how do we know that change will make anything quieter or more efficient?
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I always look for an outside source when talking Tesla, it gives some balance . All these fanboy sites are just promotion.
https://www.designnews.com/automotiv...tive-electrics
However, while a simplified wiring harness is cheaper and easier to install, the 48-volt components are more expensive, which has been a key factor. “It hasn’t proliferated more so far mostly because of cost,” Austin explains. “A 48-volt battery and controller are more expensive than an everyday 12-volt starter and battery.”
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The iPhone SE is a separate product line, intended to be an entry-level phone. Your misrepresentation of his analogy is akin to saying "look the new IS is cheaper than the previous GS, therefore Lexus models are getting cheaper".
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That is not true at all. in 2017, the entry level iPhone was the SE (2016). It remained that way until it was discontinued in 2019, and was brought back as the SE (2020), which was then subsequently replaced by the SE (2022). The 8 was the mainstream device in 2017, just like the 7 it replaced, and the 14 today. The X was the flagship in 2017, just like the 14 Pro (Max) is today.
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That is not true at all. in 2017, the entry level iPhone was the SE (2016). It remained that way until it was discontinued in 2019, and was brought back as the SE (2020), which was then subsequently replaced by the SE (2022). The 8 was the mainstream device in 2017, just like the 7 it replaced, and the 14 today. The X was the flagship in 2017, just like the 14 Pro (Max) is today.
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I’m still wondering how long it will take Tesla to provide some of the features with HW4. They don’t have a good history of keeping their promises on certain things. Plaid owners are still waiting for the speed limiter to be increased to 200mph and CCB’s that were supposed to be available last summer. Some Model Y owners are still waiting on false promises for over a year. The loss of ultrasonic sensors and its replacement via the new cameras is a compelling one since some of the new cars being delivered are “not completely functional” right now.
As of 2 days ago, they rolled out an update to FSD Beta cars that finally enabled their Tesla Vision version of parking sensors. Hopefully that means it'll roll out to all the ultrasonic sensor-less cars out there soon.
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tes...th-2022-45-11/
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