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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
What that tells me is that those who buy or lease a Cadenza aren't trying to Keep up with the Jones's....they can think for themselves.


I looked at a couple of new Tellurides today...wasn't terribly impressed, although I didn't get around to a test-drive. Though still nice vehicles and assembled well, I didn't think the materials they used were quite as nice or solid as on some slightly earlier recent Kia products. I'll do a brief write-up on what I saw, but that is a subject for another thread, not this one.

Maybe so, but there just ain't enough of 'em. Those that are out there better move quickly,
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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 03:42 PM
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In May Kia sold 6,273 Tellurides vs. 105 Cadenza's. Jan-May it's 17,238 Tellurides vs. 633 Caddenza's. Yikes!
I don’t believe that this discussion is even happening.
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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 04:01 PM
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I don’t believe that this discussion is even happening.
Believe it. You're in Car Chat.
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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don’t believe that this discussion is even happening.
you mean because the subject is turning to suv's again?
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 05:49 AM
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you mean because the subject is turning to suv's again?
Pretty much. It was pointed out what was a priority for KIA, which is now SUV's. And I agree with it .
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 07:37 AM
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Pretty much. It was pointed out what was a priority for KIA, which is now SUV's. And I agree with it .
The problem is that SUVs have become such a priority that the industry, as a whole, while there are exceptions, seems to forgetting virtually everything else. Cadillac, with its CT4 and CT5, is one of the few companies to actually put some attention into new sedans....I can't comment on them because I haven't seen them yet, but, given Cadillac's recent marketing, they will be more or less sport-sedans.

Having said that, though, it is nice to also see a new Cadenza. You can bet I'll be one of the first people outside of the auto press to write it up when it arrives.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The problem is that SUVs have become such a priority that the industry, as a whole, while there are exceptions, seems to forgetting virtually everything else.
Huh? Last two years: New Corolla, new Camry, new G70, new Stinger, new Buick Regal, new Altima, new Accord. New Hyundai Sonata coming. New KIA Forte. New Lexus LS. New Audi A8. Just recently, new E class. new 3 series (so new)
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 07:49 AM
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Huh? Last two years: New Corolla, new Camry, new G70, new Stinger, new Buick Regal, new Altima, new Accord. New Hyundai Sonata coming. New KIA Forte. New Lexus LS. New Audi A8. Just recently, new E class. new 3 series (so new)

There's no huh about it......I said there were exceptions. But the clear, overwhelming emphasis, at least in the American market, is on SUVs and trucks.

And I agree....right now, that's what a lot of people are buying. But fads can, and do, quickly change, such as in the early 1990s, when minivans gave rise to SUVs.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
There's no huh about it......I said there were exceptions. But the clear, overwhelming emphasis is on SUVs and trucks.
The above are clearly not exceptions. Those are a lot of new cars.

Forgot to add: new Mazda 3. New A5. New Lexus ES and a new Toyota Avalon

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The emphasis is on the vehicles that people are the most interested in buying. How does that not make perfect sense?
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 08:56 AM
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The emphasis is on the vehicles that people are the most interested in buying. How does that not make perfect sense?
Yes. But there is still a large market for cars that are not cross overs. Most people are moving towards cross overs. However, there is still a lot of money to be made with cars. It’s just a declining segment.

A Cadenza is a vehicle that is irrelevant for sales numbers. It will never amount to much in the US market

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There's no huh about it......I said there were exceptions. But the clear, overwhelming emphasis, at least in the American market, is on SUVs and trucks.
true but Jill makes a completely valid point, there's loads of new and refreshed sedans coming out constantly. what isn't coming out are refreshes and new versions or new models of large mid-priced sedans which you prefer (lacrosse, impala, etc). large sedans are now much more the luxury type which you choose not to spend that much for. your money and your choice of course! but there's plenty of options. mid-priced large sedans don't make much sense because if someone's looking for lots of space but not luxury amenities they might just as well get an suv.

i'm not sure how large this cadenza is but i assume it's only slightly bigger than a sonata?

i know it's got more tech than you'd like, and is probably priced more than you want to pay, but i think you'd be in heaven in a k900.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yes. But there is still a large market for cars that are not cross overs. Most people are moving towards cross overs. However, there is still a lot of money to be made with cars. It’s just a declining segment.

A Cadenza is a vehicle that is irrelevant for sales numbers. It will never amount to much in the US market
And carmakers are also still investing in and redesigning their car models too as you pointed out. So, I don't see what the issue is.
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The only ‘issue’ is certain uncompetitive models were killed off. Clearly camrys, accords, altimas, etc. still sell in gigantic volumes.
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
The only ‘issue’ is certain uncompetitive models were killed off. Clearly camrys, accords, altimas, etc. still sell in gigantic volumes.
Yes, and all of those models sell in global markets all over the place.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
true but Jill makes a completely valid point, there's loads of new and refreshed sedans coming out constantly. what isn't coming out are refreshes and new versions or new models of large mid-priced sedans which you prefer (lacrosse, impala, etc). l
Great post!

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
true but Jill makes a completely valid point,
The best post you have ever done!!! LOL

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
large sedans are now much more the luxury type which you choose not to spend that much for. your money and your choice of course! but there's plenty of options. mid-priced large sedans don't make much sense because if someone's looking for lots of space but not luxury amenities they might just as well get an suv.
Yes, another good post.
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