Toyota Cost Cutting, really grinding my gears.
02-09-19, 07:25 PM
#152
Lexus Fanatic
02-09-19, 07:29 PM
#153
Lexus Fanatic
Are you referring to the hatch-lid in the rear...where you just lower it to a couple of inches of the latch and it automatically latches itself? I agree that is not needed for most people, but get some arthritis (or injury) to the shoulder / arm / hand, and it can be quite useful.
02-09-19, 07:41 PM
#154
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Are you referring to the hatch-lid in the rear...where you just lower it to a couple of inches of the latch and it automatically latches itself? I agree that is not needed for most people, but get some arthritis (or injury) to the shoulder / arm / hand, and it can be quite useful.
02-09-19, 07:45 PM
#155
Lexus Fanatic
That power soft close is an example of cost cutting for sure. Totally don't understand why that doesn't bother you...
02-09-19, 07:47 PM
#156
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
I dunno, because everyone is different. It is a useless feature to me. Plus I like to keep my vehicles for a long time, don't need it breaking. A locking gas door which was deleted from my parents 4Runner, but present on mine is something worth keeping.
02-09-19, 07:53 PM
#157
Lexus Fanatic
You're making my point for me. You consider something cost cutting when its removed or changed and you don't like the change. When you do like the change or don't care about the change, all of a sudden its not cost cutting and it isn't a big deal. Every feature is something worth keeping, removing the locking gas door is absolutely cost cutting but so is removing the soft close hatch. If you really care about cost cutting, that should make you mad too.
02-09-19, 08:01 PM
#158
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
You're making my point for me. You consider something cost cutting when its removed or changed and you don't like the change. When you do like the change or don't care about the change, all of a sudden its not cost cutting and it isn't a big deal. Every feature is something worth keeping, removing the locking gas door is absolutely cost cutting but so is removing the soft close hatch. If you really care about cost cutting, that should make you mad too.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-09-19 at 08:07 PM.
02-09-19, 08:06 PM
#159
Dysfunctional Veteran
Somebody doesn't know that every vehicle ever made since 2010 has an anti-siphon device in the filler neck, totally negating the need for locking gas caps/filler doors...unless you have someone pissed off enough to pour sugar in your gas tank.
02-09-19, 08:11 PM
#160
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Or glue. Or taking your gas cap. Or maybe just breaking off the door completely. I know someone who had sugar poured in their tank back in 1993, the manager of a movie theatre my husband used to service.
02-09-19, 08:16 PM
#161
Lexus Fanatic
No. somethings can be cost cut for a good reason. Like I said, having the air cab filter in my 4Runner needing tools is just dumb. There is no benefit to it. There is no benefit to the slow touch rear hatch. A locking gas cap has a benefit to it. I thought we are all just giving an opinion? No reclining antenna in my 4Runner makes sense compared to the reclining antenna in our LX
If they remove a feature from a vehicle, that IS cost cutting, whether you appreciated the feature or not. What you can't say so clearly is that design choices are cost cutting (such as a window switch design with no divider, or a power peg indicating a locked or unlocked door vs a power switch that rotates in or out, or buttons for cruise control vs a stalk). Now if they removed the cruise control...that would be cost cutting, whether its controlled via a stalk or buttons is just a design choice.
02-09-19, 08:21 PM
#162
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Issue is you aren't presenting this as an opinion, you're making a declarative statement that "this IS cost cutting and its unacceptable", and you don't give any leeway to others that say they don't care about those items (hence out lenghly arguments over manual A/C controls in which you respond to my statement with "its just cost cutting"), yet you ask for that leeway when its something you don't care about.
If they remove a feature from a vehicle, that IS cost cutting, whether you appreciated the feature or not. What you can't say so clearly is that design choices are cost cutting (such as a window switch design with no divider, or a power peg indicating a locked or unlocked door vs a power switch that rotates in or out, or buttons for cruise control vs a stalk). Now if they removed the cruise control...that would be cost cutting, whether its controlled via a stalk or buttons is just a design choice.
If they remove a feature from a vehicle, that IS cost cutting, whether you appreciated the feature or not. What you can't say so clearly is that design choices are cost cutting (such as a window switch design with no divider, or a power peg indicating a locked or unlocked door vs a power switch that rotates in or out, or buttons for cruise control vs a stalk). Now if they removed the cruise control...that would be cost cutting, whether its controlled via a stalk or buttons is just a design choice.
It is possible to also hide cost cutting under the pretense of design.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-09-19 at 08:29 PM.
02-10-19, 08:22 AM
#163
Lexus Champion
I bet you cannot find concrete evidence of this ever happening.
02-10-19, 08:24 AM
#164
Lexus Champion
I'm all for being against cost-cutting. But you are making this into "Toyota eliminates features that I like, and it bothers me."
02-10-19, 08:29 AM
#165
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Can you give me an example of something you find that is cost-cutting? I want to see if I would agree.