korean and japanese cars
01-23-19, 07:48 AM
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On one hand, the improved quality of Kia/Hyundai may take away a few sales of Japanese vehicles, it will have no impact on the quality of vehicle they put out. It also may impact American brands more than Japanese. Then again, most people on this forum, will still not even consider a Kia/Hyundai due to past reputations.
How does this personally impact you either way?
01-23-19, 07:50 AM
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01-23-19, 07:50 AM
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01-23-19, 07:55 AM
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Well, judging by the consumer reports acura rating and Honda also remain worse in reliability even than the BMW Toyota Audi Subaru
Honda takes 15 place Akura takes 13
Honda takes 15 place Akura takes 13
01-23-19, 01:26 PM
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Hello, Yegor. Welcome to CL, and Car Chat. 
Yes, they have in some ways....but not in everything. In my humble opinion (and I look at a lot of new vehicles)...the Koreans have not only caught up to, but in many cases, surpassed the Japanese in things like the solidness of interior materials, body sheet metal, solid door/hood/trunk-closings, smoothness of paint-jobs, and the general sense in how well, and how tightly, the vehicle is bolted together at the factory. Kia has come fairly close to the top in general reliability a couple of times, and Genesis leads in some categories of Owner Satisfaction. But, in general, as they have for decades, Toyota and Lexus still seem to be the most reliable brands in the long run. Outside of long-term reliability, though, I am currently more impressed with the Koreans than the Japanese.
Yes, they have in some ways....but not in everything. In my humble opinion (and I look at a lot of new vehicles)...the Koreans have not only caught up to, but in many cases, surpassed the Japanese in things like the solidness of interior materials, body sheet metal, solid door/hood/trunk-closings, smoothness of paint-jobs, and the general sense in how well, and how tightly, the vehicle is bolted together at the factory. Kia has come fairly close to the top in general reliability a couple of times, and Genesis leads in some categories of Owner Satisfaction. But, in general, as they have for decades, Toyota and Lexus still seem to be the most reliable brands in the long run. Outside of long-term reliability, though, I am currently more impressed with the Koreans than the Japanese.
01-23-19, 01:36 PM
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Kia and Hyundai selling well won't hurt Japanese reliability. If anything it keeps the pressure on Japanese automakers to continue offering a good product. That's how the market works.
Remember in the early-mid 2000's when American vehicles were suffering from reliability issues and poor fuel economy? They almost went bankrupt(well, 2 of them did), and part of that was because the Japanese automakers offered an alternative that was reliable and efficient. This put pressure on the Big 3 to start offering fuel efficient vehicles that were more reliable.
EDIT: I also wanted to add that my friend has a 2012 Hyundai Sonata that has recently been experiencing engine issues. Turns out there was some defect during manufacturing that left shavings in the engine. He needs a replacement. Hyundai extended the warranty out to 10 years and 120K miles specifically for this issue and is giving him an all new engine for free and providing him with a rental in the meantime. Sometimes cars have issues. If the automaker steps up and handles those issues, that makes all the difference.
Remember in the early-mid 2000's when American vehicles were suffering from reliability issues and poor fuel economy? They almost went bankrupt(well, 2 of them did), and part of that was because the Japanese automakers offered an alternative that was reliable and efficient. This put pressure on the Big 3 to start offering fuel efficient vehicles that were more reliable.
EDIT: I also wanted to add that my friend has a 2012 Hyundai Sonata that has recently been experiencing engine issues. Turns out there was some defect during manufacturing that left shavings in the engine. He needs a replacement. Hyundai extended the warranty out to 10 years and 120K miles specifically for this issue and is giving him an all new engine for free and providing him with a rental in the meantime. Sometimes cars have issues. If the automaker steps up and handles those issues, that makes all the difference.
01-23-19, 03:47 PM
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Thank you all very much for your answers, but I’ll repeat once again as I’m a fan of the Japanese car industry, I’ll still worry because Koreans are serious competitors for the US market, but Koreans don’t compete with Japan because they are banned because of bad sales. that the Japanese will not lose quality as the US market is the main market for the Japanese, although in the Chinese market, Toyota and Honda sell well, unlike Kia Hyundai.
01-23-19, 09:49 PM
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I'm not worried about Korean cars, but I'm worried about Japanese cars, so I feel that Koreans are getting better in quality and worried about Japanese cars
01-24-19, 01:19 AM
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This is a bizarre thread. If legit, just don't worry. It's not worth it. There are plenty of reliable cars out there to suite anybody's needs. Life will go on.
One thing about Kia/Hyundai.... they have gained a lot of ground, but they also like to burn. They rate highest in car fires. That says something. I'm still not fully convinced they are as solid as the Japanese makes, especially to Toyota/Lexus.
One thing about Kia/Hyundai.... they have gained a lot of ground, but they also like to burn. They rate highest in car fires. That says something. I'm still not fully convinced they are as solid as the Japanese makes, especially to Toyota/Lexus.
01-24-19, 05:52 AM
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https://www.hotcars.com/20-cars-with...ching-on-fire/
https://www.theclever.com/20-dangero...us-combustion/
I saw one Kia on the second list at number 9, but that's it. Exotic cars seem to be the worst.
01-24-19, 06:08 AM
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I'm worried because the Koreans will be cheaper technologically than the Lexus and for the Lexus it is dangerous it can fall heavily in sales, so I'm afraid
01-24-19, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Yegor12
I'm worried because the Koreans will be cheaper technologically than the Lexus and for the Lexus it is dangerous it can fall heavily in sales, so I'm afraid