Saw my first LS500 in person...
We have quite a few LS500’s running around in my area. I think they look alright but I think the LS460 looked better. It’s a nice car for sure but I prefer my LS430 or a newer LS460.
I think the technology is crazy. I know LS500’s pretty well because I see I deal with them at work all the time and I find the car to be overly complicated. Everyone at work loves the LS500 but it’s too complicated for most our LS customers from what I’ve seen. Apparently my opinion is pretty controversial because I’m the only guy at work who doesn’t want an LS and would rather have a 2017 LS460L or an S Class.
I think the technology is crazy. I know LS500’s pretty well because I see I deal with them at work all the time and I find the car to be overly complicated. Everyone at work loves the LS500 but it’s too complicated for most our LS customers from what I’ve seen. Apparently my opinion is pretty controversial because I’m the only guy at work who doesn’t want an LS and would rather have a 2017 LS460L or an S Class.
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Saw the 2019 ES 350 in person driving on the road. Thought it was an LS. Then realized the lines showed an ES at the C pillar. The grill still looks gauche. But is shows you how much Lexus wants you to look at an ES and a LS and see a sense of Lexus family tree.
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My dealer mentioned customers confuse the new ES with the LS and vice versa in the showroom but the biggest negative they hear is the V6 , "tight" interior room, and how the LS is 2x cost of the ES. Despite that, LS sales YTD have jumped 507% over last year!
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well i'm sure many of their original customers have "moved on" lol so they need to keep people interested
most people aren't like me, since i want them to build a farty boat type vehicle again haha
i think people are forgetting how nice a car can be when it isn't made to corner flat and instead gracefully glides between turns
most people aren't like me, since i want them to build a farty boat type vehicle again haha
i think people are forgetting how nice a car can be when it isn't made to corner flat and instead gracefully glides between turns
Yep....there are still customers that like big boats. They are not in as much of a minority as some would believe. An interesting question, though, is why they made the standard model more sport-oriented when they could have simply designed an (updated) soft boat, and done the F-Sport version for those who want something more athletic?
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well i'm sure many of their original customers have "moved on" lol so they need to keep people interested
most people aren't like me, since i want them to build a farty boat type vehicle again haha
i think people are forgetting how nice a car can be when it isn't made to corner flat and instead gracefully glides between turns
most people aren't like me, since i want them to build a farty boat type vehicle again haha
i think people are forgetting how nice a car can be when it isn't made to corner flat and instead gracefully glides between turns
Yep....there are still customers that like big boats. They are not in as much of a minority as some would believe. An interesting question, though, is why they made the standard model more sport-oriented when they could have simply designed an (updated) soft boat, and done the F-Sport version for those who want something more athletic?
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I agree with the both of you, but from the point of view within marketing, a soft gliding car that does not corner very does not sell, how well does the Genesis G90 sell?. I believe that most people believe that they want sporty but in reality they do not realize how satisfied they are with a relaxed and soft ride.
S560 boat trim:
S560 sport trim:
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Last month they sold 835 LS vs 328 a year ago so about 500 more. YTD about double vs last year at ~7500
data: https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...chart.download
data: https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...chart.download
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True, but the S560 lux trim has softer airmatic suspension setting than the S560 AMG line. The lux trim also looks less aggressive, and customers will perceive that as a car focused more on comfort than sport.
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I've seen some side by side pictures of the new LS and new ES, and have been surprised at how much they look alike. But then I saw a new ES in person and to me it was very obvious that it's different from the LS.
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Agreed. But the perception of any Mercedes Benz is not the same as the past perception of let’s say Buick or Lexus. So that S class can look soft and ride soft, but it does not carry the past of being boat or barge. Agree?
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Agreed! I spend years working for both Cadillac and Mercedes. Always found it frustrating how even on the Cadillac V series, customers would walk in and say the CTS-V was for old people. Sometimes people get stuck in the past.