Dealer with their price on auto - no negotiation
#16
Lexus Fanatic
depends on who the 'you' is - not everyone does it like you do. and yes i know you say it doesn't take you long, just a few emails etc., but i've never been able to get anywhere trying that approach. not a SINGLE dealer has ever given me anything but basically an msrp quote via email. but hey, i'm gonna hire you next time to do my deal.
#17
way back, i also negotiated my price with the dealerships' internet sales depts by email.
I don't ask them for their price. I name my price and shop it around until someone bites.
I don't ask them for their price. I name my price and shop it around until someone bites.
#19
Lexus Fanatic
I believe that no car dealer can ever pay you more for your car than the distributor, and I also believe that any dealer, can sell you any car, for the same that another quoted you. What prevents the latter from happening, is ego, and willingness. There is obviously a point at which you are asked to leave. This happens with cars, it happens with diamonds. It isn't that they can't sell at this price, they won't. I like finding that point.
Not by email, but by phone, I feel I got close to the lowest price on a BMW 335i coupe in 10/06. There were zero available nationwide, with forum folks paying list. One guy said he got $1400 off, so I pm'd him. He named the dealership and it was in JC, NJ. I started calling around northern NJ and NYC, and BMW Manhattan was willing to do $1,800 off, "but you'll have to wait for a few months, I have no allocations available right now." I literally said is this legit? The CA said of course this is legit, I just have no allocation to sell right now, and maybe not next month either. Manhattan is a corp store so I could be way off, but I thought maybe they would be truthful, unlike JC or BK.
Not having an Oct. nor potentially a Nov. allocation, well, I left his part out when I called the dealership 3.5 miles from me. So, I got an allocation in Oct. for the Manhattan price. Now they tried to slam me after signing the paperwork for Training and MACO fees, but I said I wouldn't be paying it, and I didn't. 9 weeks later, I got the car.
Forums are good barometers too, but understand there is puffing as well. But some people are truthful. It's like height and salary for a guy.
Not by email, but by phone, I feel I got close to the lowest price on a BMW 335i coupe in 10/06. There were zero available nationwide, with forum folks paying list. One guy said he got $1400 off, so I pm'd him. He named the dealership and it was in JC, NJ. I started calling around northern NJ and NYC, and BMW Manhattan was willing to do $1,800 off, "but you'll have to wait for a few months, I have no allocations available right now." I literally said is this legit? The CA said of course this is legit, I just have no allocation to sell right now, and maybe not next month either. Manhattan is a corp store so I could be way off, but I thought maybe they would be truthful, unlike JC or BK.
Not having an Oct. nor potentially a Nov. allocation, well, I left his part out when I called the dealership 3.5 miles from me. So, I got an allocation in Oct. for the Manhattan price. Now they tried to slam me after signing the paperwork for Training and MACO fees, but I said I wouldn't be paying it, and I didn't. 9 weeks later, I got the car.
Forums are good barometers too, but understand there is puffing as well. But some people are truthful. It's like height and salary for a guy.
#20
Lexus Champion
You also have to look at it sometimes from their point of view. For a pretty fair number of people, a little more money for a LOT less hassle is, to them, a good deal....and, in many cases, I can't say that I disagree. Not only that, but with some people, time IS money.
#21
Lexus Champion
depends on who the 'you' is - not everyone does it like you do. and yes i know you say it doesn't take you long, just a few emails etc., but i've never been able to get anywhere trying that approach. not a SINGLE dealer has ever given me anything but basically an msrp quote via email. but hey, i'm gonna hire you next time to do my deal.
And when I bought my wife's Mazda, I dealt with 10 different Mazda dealers and 8-10 Toyota dealers (before I decided on Mazda), and most, if not all, of those dealers were less, or much less, than MSRP in their opening email offers.
Now--that doesn't mean that there's bait and switch, because the Mazda dealer closest to me, where I took a test drive and met face to face with the salesman, had their price increase by $1000 when I was ready to pull the trigger ("Oh, THAT price didn't include ......" even though I sat there and was very specific on the options I wanted).
Try it--it depends on the dealer.
#22
in that case i would immediately turn around and walk out saying nothing. It's almost always a buyer's market.
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