The RX uses large subframe and suspension bushings that provide isolated ride that make an impression of being smooth, at the expense of being wobbly, and its body twisting like a tin can if you dare to toss it into a fast turn. The X5 is far more sophisticated, they are not anywhere close in class, and it becomes evident from the moment you shut the door to the first turn of the wheel.

Reliability has been a weak point for the X5, but they have improved quite a bit. I still have my 2012 X5, and it did have a lot of repairs done to it during warranty period, but most parts were replaced with revised ones. Has been pretty solid for the last two years.

 

Speaking of cheap,

How about the rear climate ***** falling apart in a late model X5? Saw it myself.

Also had a customer with brand new M3 (I sold it to him) who picked up his brand new car with a defective differential at the Performance Center. He was very happy.

My father has a 6 series that has been OK. I'm just cheap and don't like shelling out for repairs. I have seen the BMW repair orders and have no interest in that.

I like a lot of their designs and the iDrive interface and cameras (best in industry) are better than Lexus'. For me, the current generation RX rides very well while offering good handling. If I didn't have a LX, I would have an RX. It does a very good job at everything at a reasonable price in the space.

 

 

I did have the rear **** fall apart in my wifes X6M, and BMW fixed it right away. The **** isn't cheap, just something engineers overlooked when they designed its assembly. Happens to everyone.

The X5 did have many problems, but it was also very advanced for its time. One of the first moder turbo V8 DI engines. With the revised parts that were replaced under warranty, the only thing we replaced out of warranty were spark plugs and ignition coils which were due for replacement at 30k.

 

TBH, German cars have better material and build quality, if Lexus owners drove Lexus like BMW owners did to BMW, Lexus will fall apart more easily.

I drove my brand new ES in Seattle pothole roads for about one year back in 2007, and there are lots of vibration in side the car, even dealer couldn't fix them.
I drove two of my Mercedes E class (350 and 400) on the same roads for even longer time, they are really solid, no any annoying sound.

This also happens on my CT200, and RX450H

When I drove GS and GX in San Jose, CA, there is no such issue because the road condition is much better than Seattle.

 

I've had RXs plenty of times as loaners and have driven them many times at 80MPH, thats just not true. Hell, my Pacifica minivan is solid and composed at 80MPH...in fact I haven't driven any modern car that isn't.

I also see no need to drive any vehicle at 100 MPH, absolute fastest any car I own goes is 85, maybe 90 passing somebody, and like I said my Pacifica, the Kia Sedona I had before that, both my Grand Cherokees, the Lexus ES cars I've owned, the RXs I've had as loaners, all felt plenty solid and composed at those speeds. Hell, so did my wife's Prius.

You're being dramatic. Would I rather have an X5 or an RX on the Autobahn at 120MPH? No question the X5, but for driving Americans do here, the RX is totally stable and safe.

 

Is this club-I-Hate-Lexus.com?

 

It has been for a long time lol

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. But I think that, unlike the public-at-large, we try to discuss vehicles honestly here, and, yes, because of the large number of participants in Car Chat, we get a lot of different opinions. A number of us, for example (but by no means all), believe that Lexus products started losing their edge about 10-15 years ago....before that, they were truly an industry standard.

 

First I've heard that opinion. My experience ever since my first Lexus, a 2001 RX300 has been flawless. That was 17 years ago. I owned 3 other Lexus (2 RX350's) since and have never had a problem. Maybe your referring to some other model. The RX is by far the most reliable/dependable crossover in the planet and out sells all other "luxury" crossovers (yes Luxury) by far.

 

 

Go back in time 7-10 years the discussions were all, well yea Lexus is reliable but boring to satisfy my car lust I have to buy a BMW. I personally think their current lineup is the best Lexus has ever had. The German auto makers are drifting into "boring Lexus" category lately plus their styling for the most part is a bit of a mess.

Also criticism is fine but the over the top hyperbole tossed around here by some is pathetic.

 

 

And so is a Toyota Camry, and a bunch of other pedestrian cars.

 

Yes they are, I don't get your point. Not every car has to be a high speed German machine, not everybody cares about that. Just because something isn't doesn't mean its not a "luxury car".