Is Tesla just months away from a total collapse?
This is what happens when your company is the governments love child. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...a-crash-probe/
Compare this to the Toyota witch hunt with the UA nonsense.
Compare this to the Toyota witch hunt with the UA nonsense.
great article on how badly tesla's business case and model really is compared to the rest of the industry...
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...-gm-fca-2018-5
stock is absurdly overvalued.
and going 'all in' on the model 3 when 4 door sedan sales are dying seems about the stupidest thing tesla could possibly have done.
i go back and forth on whether i think tesla will make it, but all the signs look against them. maybe their home powerwalls will save them.
but besides their own issues and the market trends, their competitors are moving at breakneck pace to crush tesla.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...-gm-fca-2018-5
stock is absurdly overvalued.
and going 'all in' on the model 3 when 4 door sedan sales are dying seems about the stupidest thing tesla could possibly have done.
i go back and forth on whether i think tesla will make it, but all the signs look against them. maybe their home powerwalls will save them.
but besides their own issues and the market trends, their competitors are moving at breakneck pace to crush tesla.
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It's dropping more or less steadily, though, especially in the last two or three months.
http://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/ch...-price-history
http://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/ch...-price-history
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It gets worse: Tesla now has to compete with $50,000 electric BMWs going for $54/month
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/...4-month-23427/
The BMW i3 for $54 a month?! Hideous little car, but who can argue with that price. Wowza. Man if I was a current i3 owners I'd be pretty mad i'm paying hundreds hah.
from the article:
Just wow FCA. That sucks the big one.
from the article:
General Motors loses about $9,000 every time it sells a Chevy Volt (a $36,000 car). Fiat loses an absurd $20,000 on each electric Fiat 500 it sells.
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It gets worse: Tesla now has to compete with $50,000 electric BMWs going for $54/month
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/...4-month-23427/
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great article on how badly tesla's business case and model really is compared to the rest of the industry...
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...-gm-fca-2018-5
stock is absurdly overvalued.
and going 'all in' on the model 3 when 4 door sedan sales are dying seems about the stupidest thing tesla could possibly have done.
i go back and forth on whether i think tesla will make it, but all the signs look against them. maybe their home powerwalls will save them.
but besides their own issues and the market trends, their competitors are moving at breakneck pace to crush tesla.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...-gm-fca-2018-5
stock is absurdly overvalued.
and going 'all in' on the model 3 when 4 door sedan sales are dying seems about the stupidest thing tesla could possibly have done.
i go back and forth on whether i think tesla will make it, but all the signs look against them. maybe their home powerwalls will save them.
but besides their own issues and the market trends, their competitors are moving at breakneck pace to crush tesla.
- Some think that Tesla is a tech company, but its main product is cars, so it effectively exists in the auto industry.
- For years, auto sales have boomed in the US and automakers have raked in profits while Tesla has lost billions.
- Unless Tesla reverses this trend, it won't be able to weather a downturn when sales drop and profits vanish.
Tesla, at base, is an automaker. But unlike other automakers, Tesla is valued like a rapid-growth tech firm and avidly followed by the same enthusiasts who might consider social media, fintech, and cryptocurrencies to be their passion.
Meanwhile, there's a traditional auto industry that after being pummeled by the financial crisis has come roaring back since 2010. The four old-school companies that I follow closely — General Motors, Ford, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, and Ferrari — are awash in cash and profits and have been raking it in for literally years.
Meanwhile, there's a traditional auto industry that after being pummeled by the financial crisis has come roaring back since 2010. The four old-school companies that I follow closely — General Motors, Ford, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, and Ferrari — are awash in cash and profits and have been raking it in for literally years.
but then this article says tesla shares are set to soar... 
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/tesl...y-analyst.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/tesl...y-analyst.html
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but then this article says tesla shares are set to soar...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/tesl...y-analyst.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/tesl...y-analyst.html
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I read a review in CD of the Tesla 3, they are way behind schedule so they did a review of a customers car, it was over 50K with options, not 35K as promised, and its real world range was only about 200 miles, not the 300+ it was supposed to get with the upgraded expensive long range battery, said braking was poor, fit and finish was among the poorest they have ever seen in a modern vehicle, very cramped and uncomfortable rear seat, and these auto writers generally want to like electric vehicles because it fits in with most of their politics. Seems like a dud
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I read a review in CD of the Tesla 3, they are way behind schedule so they did a review of a customers car, it was over 50K with options, not 35K as promised, and its real world range was only about 200 miles, not the 300+ it was supposed to get with the upgraded expensive long range battery, said braking was poor, fit and finish was among the poorest they have ever seen in a modern vehicle, very cramped and uncomfortable rear seat, and these auto writers generally want to like electric vehicles because it fits in with most of their politics. Seems like a dud
Tesla Model 3 Falls Short of a CR Recommendation
Despite record range and agile handling, issues with braking, controls, and ride quality hurt the Model 3’s Overall Score
I really did expect more from car mags on cheapening of controls to the point that 98% of things require going to the big touch monitor with tiny controls. Most reviewers actually reviewed it as novelty, as if it is not a real car so such things do not matter. But sure, real mags like CD and CR did mention it finally, together with poor braking which is surprising.
We also heard about poor quality control from the owners and investing mags but up until now tech blogs that got first access did not treat these seriously buying the line how these are beta cars... however poor quality control, big panel gaps and all the other issues can not be fixed with software update.
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CR:
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybr...ecommendation/
I really did expect more from car mags on cheapening of controls to the point that 98% of things require going to the big touch monitor with tiny controls. Most reviewers actually reviewed it as novelty, as if it is not a real car so such things do not matter. But sure, real mags like CD and CR did mention it finally, together with poor braking which is surprising.
We also heard about poor quality control from the owners and investing mags but up until now tech blogs that got first access did not treat these seriously buying the line how these are beta cars... however poor quality control, big panel gaps and all the other issues can not be fixed with software update.
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybr...ecommendation/
I really did expect more from car mags on cheapening of controls to the point that 98% of things require going to the big touch monitor with tiny controls. Most reviewers actually reviewed it as novelty, as if it is not a real car so such things do not matter. But sure, real mags like CD and CR did mention it finally, together with poor braking which is surprising.
We also heard about poor quality control from the owners and investing mags but up until now tech blogs that got first access did not treat these seriously buying the line how these are beta cars... however poor quality control, big panel gaps and all the other issues can not be fixed with software update.
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You've basically summed up, here, what some other posters have been saying in other threads......that Tesla will most likely end up being a advanced-battery/electronics company, not an auto manufacturer per se.