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Old Jul 8, 2019 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Nautilus, XT6, RX/L, QX60, MDX - FWD based chassis with AWD

Aviator, GLE, X5, GV80 - RWD based chassis with AWD
Agreed, but how many shoppers are more interested in seating capacity and/or price rather than FWD or RWD design? If I'm an X5 shopper, I still might look at a Q7 or Q8, but probably not an RX. The Aviator is a new competitor for both. If I'm a RX shopper but want a 3rd row, the Aviator is a competitor.

I personally think that the Aviator is most important to Lincoln because it is their first product in a while that is clearly much better than their Cadillac competitor. I just read that the CD6 platform also works with FWD and that the next Nautilus will be based on it.
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Old Jul 8, 2019 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcajun
Agreed, but how many shoppers are more interested in seating capacity and/or price rather than FWD or RWD design? If I'm an X5 shopper, I still might look at a Q7 or Q8, but probably not an RX. The Aviator is a new competitor for both. If I'm a RX shopper but want a 3rd row, the Aviator is a competitor.

I personally think that the Aviator is most important to Lincoln because it is their first product in a while that is clearly much better than their Cadillac competitor. I just read that the CD6 platform also works with FWD and that the next Nautilus will be based on it.
The average buyer won't know as much when it comes to chassis's true. The Cadillac XT6 is smoking something considering what it offers and where it's priced at.

BASE PRICES
X5 - $60,700
GLE - $56,200
Q7 - $53,550
XT6 - $52,695
Aviator - $51,100
RXL - $48,020
QX60 - $44.350
MDX - $44,300
RX - $43,820
XT5 - $41,695
Nautilus - $40,340
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Old Jul 8, 2019 | 08:37 AM
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Saw a white one on the road today. Looks great in person with all the right proportions.
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Old Dec 22, 2019 | 06:58 PM
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Heated windshield wiper blades. Lincoln is really exceeding at doing luxury options well

https://www.motor1.com/news/389199/l...-wiper-blades/

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Old Dec 22, 2019 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Heated windshield wiper blades. Lincoln is really exceeding at doing luxury well

Although the specific application is a little different on the Aviator, the idea of heating the wiper arms/blades is nothing new. My 2006 Subaru Outback had a electrical grid, built into the lower part of the windshield, that quickly heated the glass right around the wiper-arms and thawed them out. Just flip a switch on the dash, and presto. You can see the orange/brown color grids here.

I wondered if that repeated sharp-difference in heat and cold between the upper and lower part of the glass would weaken or crack it, but it didn't in the nearly 6 years I owned the car. And the regular hot-air front defrost, of course, heats up the whole windshield as well.


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Old Dec 22, 2019 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Although the specific application is a little different on the Aviator, the idea of heating the wiper arms/blades is nothing new. My 2006 Subaru Outback had a electrical grid, built into the lower part of the windshield, that quickly heated the glass right around the wiper-arms and thawed them out. Just flip a switch on the dash, and presto. You can see the orange/brown color grids here.

I wondered if that repeated sharp-difference in heat between the upper and lower part of the glass would weaken or crack it, but it didn't in the nearly 6 years I owned the car. And the regular hot-air front defrost, of course, heats up the whole windshield as well.

I think the Aviator already offers that.
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Old Dec 22, 2019 | 07:22 PM
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Heated wipers/windshield is nothing new even for Lincoln. My LS has them, and I believe my dads old 90 Continental did as well.
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Old Dec 24, 2019 | 12:11 PM
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We started mulling the idea of a 3 row SUV/Crossover this year to replace my wife's Cayenne and we never thought about a Lincoln, however, after seeing this new Aviator, we'll definitely give it some consideration. It'll be interesting to see how well these things sell and perform over the next year or so. If this is a legit Q7 competitor, for a little less $, this could be a great option...
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 07:10 PM
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You should absolutely drive one. Totally legit Q7 competitor. You should drive a BMW X7 also.
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You should absolutely drive one. Totally legit Q7 competitor. You should drive a BMW X7 also.
Yeah, we thought briefly about looking at the X7 but don't want to spend that type of money since our two kids under 5 won't treat it any better... That's actually a reason we were looking for "cheaper" alternatives to a Q7 - kids are rough on things!

I'd love to go the 4Runner or even GX route, but my wife prefers more of a crossover-type and she will be the primary driver of whatever we replace her current vehicle with. I would even consider the "lesser" Explorer but I think she will appreciate some of the luxury features of the Aviator - assuming she likes it at all after some seat time.
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 03:37 PM
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If i had kids i'd want a car with an interior entirely made of rubber like the old Honda Element so it could be hosed down.
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
If i had kids i'd want a car with an interior entirely made of rubber like the old Honda Element so it could be hosed down.
Haha.that is pretty funny. I wonder if you can get a Ford or GM with the rubber floors...FJ had it.
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I wonder if you can get a Ford or GM with the rubber floors...FJ had it.

Yes....base F-150 and Silverado work-trucks have essentially a rubber/vinyl floor-covering, with no carpet. Our Condo-Maintenance man has a brand-new F-150 like that, with the turbo-V6, that his company bought for him recently. (as always, he got a bottle of SCRATCH-OUT from me LOL, but it will be difficult to keep a work-truck looking pristine and free of scratches, even with a bed-liner).
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
If i had kids i'd want a car with an interior entirely made of rubber like the old Honda Element so it could be hosed down.

Still have to be careful doing that, and make sure the water doesn't splash up in other places inside. True, the flooring and some of the door-panel trim is water-resistent, but the wiring/instrumentation and electronics under the dash is not...you don't want water splashing up in there.

(A close friend of mine still has a 2002 Element, BTW....he's kept it a long time).
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
If i had kids i'd want a car with an interior entirely made of rubber like the old Honda Element so it could be hosed down.
One with a barrier between the front seats and the rear would be great as well!

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