Lincoln Aviator killed it.
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RX350 drives pedestrian cause it doesn't have a proper AWD system in it, just like how Ford doesn't have one either, just like how Jaguar doesn't have one, just like how Alfa doesn't have one.
Wanna take a bet that new Aviator will drive exactly the same as the previous midsize FWD Lincoln SUV but more refined of course due to development evolution? It's not going to be Range Rover Sport or X5M no matter how it looks.
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All of those that you mentioned above are poorly packaged SUVs especially Jaguar, Alfa and Porsche. Completely useless when it comes to Utility part in the SUV because they are RWD based. Can you point out to me how X3 drives better than Q5? It doesn't. If you want to talk about on extreme road performance of X6M then yes its easier to achieve that with proper RWD setup, if you want to talk about serious off-roading then yes as well but a medium sized SUV that used to be FWD will gain nothing by going RWD. RWD doesn't necessarily means better cause there are a lot of ****ty RWD vehicles on the market already.
RX350 drives pedestrian cause it doesn't have a proper AWD system in it, just like how Ford doesn't have one either, just like how Jaguar doesn't have one, just like how Alfa doesn't have one.
Wanna take a bet that new Aviator will drive exactly the same as the previous midsize FWD Lincoln SUV but more refined of course due to development evolution? It's not going to be Range Rover Sport or X5M no matter how it looks.
RX350 drives pedestrian cause it doesn't have a proper AWD system in it, just like how Ford doesn't have one either, just like how Jaguar doesn't have one, just like how Alfa doesn't have one.
Wanna take a bet that new Aviator will drive exactly the same as the previous midsize FWD Lincoln SUV but more refined of course due to development evolution? It's not going to be Range Rover Sport or X5M no matter how it looks.
I’m not trying to come to this guys defense, as I don’t have a dog in this fight. But after looking at all his post I couldn’t help but notice he never mentioned the BMW X3 can out handle a Audi Q5 Quattro. Both of these 4 wheel drive vehicles have similar powertrain layouts with 4 wheel drive systems that performs and react similarly. The Audi Q5 has a RWD bias AWD system with 40/60 torque split front to rear and the same goes for the X3, with the only real difference between these two being the X3’s engine is sat back further in the engine bay for better weight distribution and it can send 100% of its power to either axle while the Audi’s Quattro system is limited to sending a maximum of 75% of its power to either axle.
Now now maybe your reffering to Audi’s latest Quattro Ultra system? Not all Quattro badged Audi’s are equal. They have 3 separate 4 wheel drive systems that operate differently from each other. The newest system they introduced on the newest A4 and Q5 operates as a front wheel drive primarily with little or no power to the rear wheels to help boost fuel economy.
In my opinion we shouldn’t pre judge cars driving dynamics until they debut in production form. No one except for Ford’s engineers and a few executives knows how the next generation rear wheel drive based Explorer and Aviator will drive or handle. Ford is investing almost all their profits into Truck and SUV platform development. Not a fan of the brand, but they might surprise us all.
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All of those that you mentioned above are poorly packaged SUVs especially Jaguar, Alfa and Porsche. Completely useless when it comes to Utility part in the SUV because they are RWD based. Can you point out to me how X3 drives better than Q5? It doesn't. If you want to talk about on extreme road performance of X6M then yes its easier to achieve that with proper RWD setup, if you want to talk about serious off-roading then yes as well but a medium sized SUV that used to be FWD will gain nothing by going RWD. RWD doesn't necessarily means better cause there are a lot of ****ty RWD vehicles on the market already.
RX350 drives pedestrian cause it doesn't have a proper AWD system in it, just like how Ford doesn't have one either, just like how Jaguar doesn't have one, just like how Alfa doesn't have one.
Wanna take a bet that new Aviator will drive exactly the same as the previous midsize FWD Lincoln SUV but more refined of course due to development evolution? It's not going to be Range Rover Sport or X5M no matter how it looks.
RX350 drives pedestrian cause it doesn't have a proper AWD system in it, just like how Ford doesn't have one either, just like how Jaguar doesn't have one, just like how Alfa doesn't have one.
Wanna take a bet that new Aviator will drive exactly the same as the previous midsize FWD Lincoln SUV but more refined of course due to development evolution? It's not going to be Range Rover Sport or X5M no matter how it looks.
for 99% of driving, and 99% of drivers, you can't tell the difference. I can't really feel the difference between my fwd ES and rwd GS.
But if you ever have to go offroad, like on a beach, that oversteering RWD could be fun to slip and slide in the sand.
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I’m going to assume you haven’t pushed either model very hard. Which is fine, I don’t expect everyone to drive it like they stole it. But there is a big difference in how the ES and GS handle and you don’t have to be at the cars limit to notice it.
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Last edited by Toys4RJill; Mar 29, 2018 at 03:23 PM.
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Okay we’re saying the same thing. I’m referring to upmarket luxury as you call it or true luxury.
Personally I don’t consider any FWD based vehicle a luxury vehicle.
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And that is where I disagree and thing you are wrong IMO. An RX or GX are not set up the same. Both are luxury vehicles. Perhaps not a prestige car like a GS350 or LS500, but they are all luxury cars when it comes from a luxury brand.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Mar 29, 2018 at 03:46 PM.
We're starting to veer away from the Aviator though. The Lincoln Aviator is a luxury vehicle.
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90 percent of you are falling over yourselves based on a concept that will NOT look as spectacular in production form. You will experience the same let down you got from the Lincoln Continental after the concept promised but failed to deliver. The result was a boring sedan only found in livery fleets. The Aviator will see a similar outcome. Lincoln needs to be ostentatious and bold in the design department if it wants to be considered among the existing juggernauts. The concepts are garnering buzz but the suits in Detroit are handicapping the final product.
