5th Gen GS, any news yet?
#31
It would be a bummer if they discontinue it. My dad will be looking for a new ride in a year or so and he won't do the ES because it's a senior citizen mobile with a so-so interior. Plus it's ubiquitous and boring looking, nobody would turn their head toward it once. The current GS is way nicer looking inside and out and has a nicer interior, but it's old now so won't be under consideration.
If it's shelved then the Japanese will have no competitive luxury sedans to rival the E class, 5er, or A6. Sucks for anybody who wants a car like that but with Japanese reliability.
If it's shelved then the Japanese will have no competitive luxury sedans to rival the E class, 5er, or A6. Sucks for anybody who wants a car like that but with Japanese reliability.
#32
Recently, the current model ES peaked in 2014 with over 72,000 units in the US, while the GS peaked at the same time with over 22,000 units.
Combined midsize luxury ES & GS sales in the US therefore peaked in 2014 with over 94,000 units per year.
Note that in the US, Lexus has two luxury sedans in the mid-size segment; an entry level FWD ES, and a premium RWD GS.
The current model Toyota Crown in RHD for the Japanese Domestic Market sold 39,813 units in 2016, as Japan's top selling luxury car.
The current model Toyota Crown in LHD for the Chinese market sold 30,251 units in 2016.
2016 was the Crown's 2nd last year, and JDM & Chinese sales was 70,000 units per year, and an all new Toyota Crown is slated for release in 2018 after the 5LS.
The 2018 Crown exterior, esp rear, probably looks better than the 2018 5LS already; though I still don't like the new corny 6 side window design as much as the traditional GS 4 side window design with a BMW-like truncated trailing apex in the rear window.
6 side window designs are lovely in Audis, even the Genesis G80 & Toyota Avalon; however, so far 5LS and Crown haven't had particularly beautiful 6 side window designs IMO.
Both Lexus ES and Lexus GS are reskinned Toyota Camries and Toyota Crowns respectively.
How much does it cost to "reskin" a Camry and a Crown, and change the front coil spring and front damper rates - meanwhile using the same rear coils and dampers, and the same front and rear sway bars?
Manufacturers often only change the front coils and dampers, as opposed to changing all four coils and dampers - to enhance the dynamics of a motor vehicle.
Afterall, the TNGA platform was created to favor the manufacturing of these model variations; so why withdraw the 5GS now?
With Genesis G80 & Kia Stinger, I would have thought Toyota Motor Corporation would only take these Koreans head-on?
It will be interesting to see if GS gets axed...
Last edited by peteharvey; 01-12-18 at 10:28 AM.
#33
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if a 5gs looks anything like that monstrosity, it's doa.
#34
That's the sports version above.
Below is Hoovey's less sporty RS version.
In any case, historically the Crown and GS have looked totally different outside and inside...
Below is Hoovey's less sporty RS version.
In any case, historically the Crown and GS have looked totally different outside and inside...
#36
Lexus Fanatic
It will be interesting to see if Lexus axes the GS line.
Recently, the current model ES peaked in 2014 with over 72,000 units in the US, while the GS peaked at the same time with over 22,000 units.
Combined midsize luxury ES & GS sales in the US therefore peaked in 2014 with over 94,000 units per year.
Note that in the US, Lexus has two luxury sedans in the mid-size segment; an entry level FWD ES, and a premium RWD GS.
The current model Toyota Crown in RHD for the Japanese Domestic Market sold 39,813 units in 2016, as Japan's top selling luxury car.
The current model Toyota Crown in LHD for the Chinese market sold 30,251 units in 2016.
2016 was the Crown's 2nd last year, and JDM & Chinese sales was 70,000 units per year, and an all new Toyota Crown is slated for release in 2018 after the 5LS.
The 2018 Crown exterior, esp rear, probably looks better than the 2018 5LS already; though I still don't like the new corny 6 side window design as much as the traditional GS 4 side window design with a BMW-like truncated trailing apex in the rear window.
6 side window designs are lovely in Audis, even the Genesis G80 & Toyota Avalon; however, so far 5LS and Crown haven't had particularly beautiful 6 side window designs IMO.
Both Lexus ES and Lexus GS are reskinned Toyota Camries and Toyota Crowns respectively.
How much does it cost to "reskin" a Camry and a Crown, and change the front coil spring and front damper rates - meanwhile using the same rear coils and dampers, and the same front and rear sway bars?
Manufacturers often only change the front coils and dampers, as opposed to changing all four coils and dampers - to enhance the dynamics of a motor vehicle.
Afterall, the TNGA platform was created to favor the manufacturing of these model variations; so why withdraw the 5GS now?
With Genesis G80 & Kia Stinger, I would have thought Toyota Motor Corporation would only take these Koreans head-on?
It will be interesting to see if GS gets axed...
Recently, the current model ES peaked in 2014 with over 72,000 units in the US, while the GS peaked at the same time with over 22,000 units.
Combined midsize luxury ES & GS sales in the US therefore peaked in 2014 with over 94,000 units per year.
Note that in the US, Lexus has two luxury sedans in the mid-size segment; an entry level FWD ES, and a premium RWD GS.
The current model Toyota Crown in RHD for the Japanese Domestic Market sold 39,813 units in 2016, as Japan's top selling luxury car.
The current model Toyota Crown in LHD for the Chinese market sold 30,251 units in 2016.
2016 was the Crown's 2nd last year, and JDM & Chinese sales was 70,000 units per year, and an all new Toyota Crown is slated for release in 2018 after the 5LS.
The 2018 Crown exterior, esp rear, probably looks better than the 2018 5LS already; though I still don't like the new corny 6 side window design as much as the traditional GS 4 side window design with a BMW-like truncated trailing apex in the rear window.
6 side window designs are lovely in Audis, even the Genesis G80 & Toyota Avalon; however, so far 5LS and Crown haven't had particularly beautiful 6 side window designs IMO.
Both Lexus ES and Lexus GS are reskinned Toyota Camries and Toyota Crowns respectively.
How much does it cost to "reskin" a Camry and a Crown, and change the front coil spring and front damper rates - meanwhile using the same rear coils and dampers, and the same front and rear sway bars?
Manufacturers often only change the front coils and dampers, as opposed to changing all four coils and dampers - to enhance the dynamics of a motor vehicle.
Afterall, the TNGA platform was created to favor the manufacturing of these model variations; so why withdraw the 5GS now?
With Genesis G80 & Kia Stinger, I would have thought Toyota Motor Corporation would only take these Koreans head-on?
It will be interesting to see if GS gets axed...
#38
me neither.
that crown looks dated and porky.
there's something bad about its poise, and its wheels/tires look small, even though both the crown and bmw are riding on low profile tires.
that crown looks dated and porky.
there's something bad about its poise, and its wheels/tires look small, even though both the crown and bmw are riding on low profile tires.
#39
However, chassis and drivelines are shared.
2012-18 Toyota Crown Athlete [Sports]
2012-19 Lexus 4GS:
Btw, lately Toyotas have been using touchscreens, while Lexiis have been using jog dials or scratch pads...
#41
Lexus Champion
Anybody see this?
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/lexus/...-ar176928.html
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/lexus/...-ar176928.html
Those are just spy photos of the Crown shown above.
#43
Lexus is good at keeping new models hidden. We'll get a hint next week when we see the 2019 Avalon.
#44
It's funny my sales rep told me basically the same thing a couple months ago when I traded my 2015 for the 2018... I really hope they keep the GS, I love this car
#45
Lexus Champion
If Lexus plans on following the orders right from the top that come from Toyota royalty ie. Akio, then they will have to keep the GS around. So far you have the IS, GS and then after that it's a step up to the RC, LC cars. So to simply drop out of the midsize sports luxury market would be a mistake. The 4GS did quite well in comparison tests as did the IS. The problem in particular with the present GS is its styling. Too much 5 series in the side profile and far too frumpy at the back. And the spindle nose is not working here.
Use the TNGA tech here to its fullest, plug in the TT3.5 V6 with the option of a potential F version and then you'll get some attention. Expecting the LS to carry all the sporty handling racetrack type image is a long shot and it doesn't work with flagship buyers. That's what the GS does very well.
Use the TNGA tech here to its fullest, plug in the TT3.5 V6 with the option of a potential F version and then you'll get some attention. Expecting the LS to carry all the sporty handling racetrack type image is a long shot and it doesn't work with flagship buyers. That's what the GS does very well.