I think European politicians are forcing them to offer them even though they clearly don't sell.

 

 

I agree.

I don't know if it was here or at Lexus Enthusiast, but there were a few people who kept arguing that this new engine would be as good and as fast as competitor's V8s. Ok. Even more people just couldn't believe that it will be much slower than whatever Lexus says it would. I think that discussion was here, but again, ok...

No idea why Lexus decided to go this route: build an oddball V6 engine in regards to displacement that has way, way, way, way more bark than bite. Numbers looks impressive, seems impressive, but is a dud.

They should have developed a 3.0 Liter V6 and 4.0 Liter V8 concurrently, but that ship has long since sailed. Too slow and too far behind at this point.

There was also arguments about the purported 4.0 V8tt coming out. I say no and people were up in arms. I still stand by that and I'm sure time will prove me right; Toyota and Lexus just can't build good engines anymore. That's also why I think the Supra is taking so long to release: crappy, slow engines upon real-world initial testing.

 

From what I understand, Toyota and BMW are also co-ordinating the design.

 

 

While I respect your view, IMO, Toyota does build good engines, even if they don't have the most HP/torque per liter. Of course, there have been a few exceptions here and there, like the sludge/gel problems in the old 3.0L V6. But, in general, Toyota engines last.....in fact, most of the time, given proper care and service, they outlast most of the rest of the car.

 

 

 

I think the issue is that what you think "is good" and what Toyota/Lexus think "is good" are at odds. Which is fine, just buy something else. I don't understand the point of continuing to argue about it when clearly, Toyota and Lexus has plenty of consumers who buy their products and thus logically think their engines "are good". You don't, hence why you no longer own one. Case closed.

What metric are you using to back this statement up, other than your own anti Toyota/Lexus bias? What "current Lexus" vehicles are displaying initial unreliability that would lead you to believe that they won't live up to Lexus historical reputation for reliability?

You don't like the brand or its cars, fine. What I don't understand is why so much effort is put towards continually telling us all the same reasons why you don't over and over again. I'm a car guy who likes talking about cars, I don't however go on forums for cars I don't own or like and post about how I no longer own them or like them. I had Jeeps, and posted on their forums. I don't any longer and no longer post. I had a Kia and posted on that forum, I don't any longer and no longer post. That car I have a new replacement car I much prefer to the Kia, but why would I continually go back to the Kia forum and post about how I don't like the way Kia does certain things? I post on the forum for the Pacifica...which is what I now own.

 

 

 

 

Or is this a case of "the person doth protest too much?"

Perhaps the poster is insecure in his new car purchase so tries to convince himself that he made the right decision by posting incessantly about how terrible his old car was.

If he can convince the entire CL community to turn against Lexus, he will finally find peace with his decision to change cars.

Insecurity can be a terrible mistress.

 

 

No offense, but maybe (just maybe) that car was trying to tell you something....might be time to listen. There's a lot more to life (even while driving) than 5.4-second 0-60 times, particularly in today's dense stop-and-go traffic.