Lexus LS500/LS500h
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Originally Posted by Rhambler
Just because an attribute isn’t important to you doesn’t mean it’s not important.
We also get it that you don’t care about this as you constantly come into these stating the same thing.
The MT test was the first real test I think and I haven’t talked about it much, but that test was the first real numbers to come out.
We also get it that you don’t care about this as you constantly come into these stating the same thing.
The MT test was the first real test I think and I haven’t talked about it much, but that test was the first real numbers to come out.
The LS is about a refined, smooth relaxed driving experience. part of that experience is effortless power, which all of my LS sedans have had, from the 290 HP LS400 and LS430 to the 359 HP AWD 460 to my 386 HP RWD 460L. I expect this TT V6 will be similar. Sure this LS is sportier and more dynamic, but its not an S Audi or an AMG Mercedes. If thats what they were going for they would have made different choices with the engine.
Having gone from an AWD 460 to a RWD 460 with 28 more HP and a difference in 0-60 time similar to what you are complaining about, I really feel no difference in power or acceleration.
Last edited by SW17LS; Feb 4, 2018 at 08:26 AM.
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I completely agree. It is getting annoying, the constant bashing. I don't ever remember the 460 exceeding the manufacturers claimed numbers. I was just looking around online, a lot of the 0-60 times for Mercedes reviews are quoting manufactures estimates. You would need some pretty good controlled variables to account for a .5 second difference on the LS.
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It is beyond you because you just don't know what the variables are. Were the S-class models track tested? Were the prototypes? Was the Lexus filled with premium or higher before the Car and Driver test? was the LS track tested? What the ambient temperature like? a .5 second difference is too difficult to control for.
Perhaps Mercedes Benz understates the manufacturers numbers on purpose?
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0-60 times can tell you something about the car and engine without knowing anything else about it. It allows you to compare and contrast that driving dynamic without much detailed knowledge of the engine or car for that matter. You read about a car that can reach 60 in 4 seconds. Well you can infer something from that. You read about that same car and how comfortable and quiet it is. Well, you can infer even more. Likewise for something slower.
People can relate to it easily, and it’s a benchmark used by almost everyone and everywhere from manufacturers, auto journalists and car enthusiasts alike.
I never said wow, look at those times. I simply asked why said Lexus’ claimed numbers are seemingly far from reality, where those same journalists can often meet or exceed other manufacturer’s numbers?
And if it wasn’t important, why not be more conservative and simply state: LS500 0-60 in 5.5 seconds that way most journalists or what have you will test at or under that number? It’s not a big deal right? That’s what they should do.
People can relate to it easily, and it’s a benchmark used by almost everyone and everywhere from manufacturers, auto journalists and car enthusiasts alike.
I never said wow, look at those times. I simply asked why said Lexus’ claimed numbers are seemingly far from reality, where those same journalists can often meet or exceed other manufacturer’s numbers?
And if it wasn’t important, why not be more conservative and simply state: LS500 0-60 in 5.5 seconds that way most journalists or what have you will test at or under that number? It’s not a big deal right? That’s what they should do.
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They are not far from reality. Like I said, a .5 second difference is too difficult to control for.
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Why all of these arguments, back and forth, about an 0.5 second 0-60 difference? I've already listed just some of the many different factors that can affect 0-60 times. As far as I'm concerned, let's talk about the LS for what it was intended to be...a plush, refined luxury car, not an NHRA dragster.
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It is beyond you because you just don't know what the variables are. Were the S-class models track tested? Were the prototypes? Was the Lexus filled with premium or higher before the Car and Driver test? was the LS track tested? What the ambient temperature like? a .5 second difference is too difficult to control for.
Perhaps Mercedes Benz understates the manufacturers numbers on purpose?
I agree. I’m sure the LS500 will be very fast. Lexus typically estimates their cars pretty close to what the published magazines get. Mercedes and the other Germans are usually on the very conservative side regarding the acceleration test numbers.
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Thanks. Officially, from Lexus.com only the RWD models have manufacturers estimates. AWD numbers from Lexus do not exist.
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This is no different than most other late model Lexus models. Most skip the 5k intervals, as they're just tire rotations and visual inspections.
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Why disappointing? This maintenance schedule is used for most of the other Lexus models. The initial 5 and 10 thousand visits are free.
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MUCH better and more reasonable for the hybrid this time around! This gives me hope the next GSh will have a much smaller premium over the GS.
LS500 starts at $75,000 USD
LS500h starts at $79,510 USD
LS500h starts at $79,510 USD
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