Hell Cat Fatalities
09-13-17, 08:15 AM
#16
09-13-17, 08:29 AM
#17
Lexus Fanatic
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first off, the SAME RESULT could happen with ANY car, with enough stupidity by the drivers. driving a car at high speed down a RUNWAY, which obviously has no signs for cars, and might not give any normal clue about when to slow down 'in time' means anyone driving any car could misjudge when to brake and end up with a first prize darwin award.
second about the car "lacking balance regarding horse power and ergonomics", have you driven one? reviewers give it high praise from what i've read but then those reviewers weren't clueless and racing it down a runway.
third, you imply the fact that it "can be had for a low $ per pony price" means it's more dangerous because i guess that means less sophisticated or intelligent people might buy and drive one? many other supposedly intelligent and rich people have died or suffered big injuries in ferraris, porsches, lamborghinis, etc.
i really think you need to examine your disdain for chrysler or any brand... i believe i read at some point you or your family has some bad experience with them, which is unfortunate, but things can and do change.
here's some idiotic driving, on a race track no less, by a lexus driver, impacting an acrua nsx
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/angry-...-wh-1798477766
09-13-17, 08:44 AM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Coleroad
it does when you're comparing those rates to cars of, and at the same time period. Other cars on the road at that time didn't have great safety features either.
That sort of broken out data doesn't exist.
09-13-17, 10:21 AM
#19
Lexus Test Driver
A bartender only serves drinks, and collects the tab for them. How is he or she responsible if drunks make the decision to try and drive home? 
In many cases, the bartender has no idea how the person even got to the bar in the first place......it could have been by cab, bus, subway, or even on foot. That's like the old worn-out argument that gun manufacturers are responsible for gun-crimes.
The (probable) cause of this accident was two over-aged guys, without the reflexes and co-ordination of a 20-year-old, trying to re-live their Muscle-Car youth. They simply got in over their heads....and, at their age, it often doesn't take very deep water to do that.
In many cases, the bartender has no idea how the person even got to the bar in the first place......it could have been by cab, bus, subway, or even on foot. That's like the old worn-out argument that gun manufacturers are responsible for gun-crimes.The (probable) cause of this accident was two over-aged guys, without the reflexes and co-ordination of a 20-year-old, trying to re-live their Muscle-Car youth. They simply got in over their heads....and, at their age, it often doesn't take very deep water to do that.
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09-13-17, 10:30 AM
#20
Lexus Test Driver
I don't agree with either one. Whatever happened to personal responsibility in this world? Somehow I can drive a car, any car and not kill myself. I can go out to a bar and not get blackout drunk and get into a car and kill somebody. If I did either of those things it would be my fault, and my fault alone. I'm a grown man, nobody is responsible for my behavior but me.
This accident has nothing to do with Chrysler. The car was being driven on an airport runway at high speed, and the drivers ran off the end of the runway by accident, could have happened with any car. If you don't want this to happen to you, don't drive down an airport runway at 100+ MPH (likely faster than that). Dynamics or handling had nothing to do with it, they were going straight and misjudged the distance between them and the end of the runway because of lack of experience doing such things that that speed.
For some people nothing that ever happens to them is their fault. It's really pathetic.
Somebody mentioned ludicrous mode. You might be surprised to know the Hellcats come with two keys. The red key unlocks all the power, the regular key holds it back for street driving. Same thing.
To say Chrysler has any fault in this is silly. Own your own self
This accident has nothing to do with Chrysler. The car was being driven on an airport runway at high speed, and the drivers ran off the end of the runway by accident, could have happened with any car. If you don't want this to happen to you, don't drive down an airport runway at 100+ MPH (likely faster than that). Dynamics or handling had nothing to do with it, they were going straight and misjudged the distance between them and the end of the runway because of lack of experience doing such things that that speed.
For some people nothing that ever happens to them is their fault. It's really pathetic.
Somebody mentioned ludicrous mode. You might be surprised to know the Hellcats come with two keys. The red key unlocks all the power, the regular key holds it back for street driving. Same thing.
To say Chrysler has any fault in this is silly. Own your own self
09-13-17, 10:44 AM
#21
your hostility toward chrysler is completely irrational in several ways, and very condescending and judgmental too.
first off, the SAME RESULT could happen with ANY car, with enough stupidity by the drivers. driving a car at high speed down a RUNWAY, which obviously has no signs for cars, and might not give any normal clue about when to slow down 'in time' means anyone driving any car could misjudge when to brake and end up with a first prize darwin award.
second about the car "lacking balance regarding horse power and ergonomics", have you driven one? reviewers give it high praise from what i've read but then those reviewers weren't clueless and racing it down a runway.
third, you imply the fact that it "can be had for a low $ per pony price" means it's more dangerous because i guess that means less sophisticated or intelligent people might buy and drive one? many other supposedly intelligent and rich people have died or suffered big injuries in ferraris, porsches, lamborghinis, etc.
i really think you need to examine your disdain for chrysler or any brand... i believe i read at some point you or your family has some bad experience with them, which is unfortunate, but things can and do change.
here's some idiotic driving, on a race track no less, by a lexus driver, impacting an acrua nsx
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/angry-...-wh-1798477766
first off, the SAME RESULT could happen with ANY car, with enough stupidity by the drivers. driving a car at high speed down a RUNWAY, which obviously has no signs for cars, and might not give any normal clue about when to slow down 'in time' means anyone driving any car could misjudge when to brake and end up with a first prize darwin award.
second about the car "lacking balance regarding horse power and ergonomics", have you driven one? reviewers give it high praise from what i've read but then those reviewers weren't clueless and racing it down a runway.
third, you imply the fact that it "can be had for a low $ per pony price" means it's more dangerous because i guess that means less sophisticated or intelligent people might buy and drive one? many other supposedly intelligent and rich people have died or suffered big injuries in ferraris, porsches, lamborghinis, etc.
i really think you need to examine your disdain for chrysler or any brand... i believe i read at some point you or your family has some bad experience with them, which is unfortunate, but things can and do change.
here's some idiotic driving, on a race track no less, by a lexus driver, impacting an acrua nsx
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/angry-...-wh-1798477766
Theres a reason why the half-mile events held on airstrips are measured for safe stopping distances. There was a Ferrari that crashed on an airstrip when the driver tried to pull the same stoopid stunt. Guess what? No one blamed Ferrari for not over-engineering a car to prevent dummies from being dummies.
09-13-17, 10:50 AM
#22
Yet another tragic mistake stemming from one of these ridiculous cars. I read and see this over and over in my daily life, living on a major street and working with the police department. Most people will never be able to handle all that power and performance. As I've been recently saying, manufacturers need to be held responsible for producing these death bombs, just like a bartender is responsible for his/her drinkers.
Bartender is not responsible for his/her patrons unless the drinks served are poisonous to the patrons given the medical history and only IF such condition was known by the bartender. Otherwise, you have no legal or moral basis for planting the responsibility on the bartender.
09-13-17, 11:03 AM
#23
People haven't been taking personal responsibility for decades. Why would they start now? It is only getting worse. Every single owner of these ridiculously horsepowered cars DO NOT have the ability to control their right foot. These cars beg to be driven aggressively and to the limit, in the exact same way drugs cause endorphins in the brain to react. It is what they were designed to do and auto makers know exactly how to tap into this part of the brain and feed the addiction. We are all fooling ourselves if we think there's a chance people can learn to control themselves. ***IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.*** Like I mentioned earlier, I have worked with law enforcement for over twenty years with traffic and safety issues in my city. The bulk of offenders and accident victims are owners of Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, and Chargers. I did not wake up one day and imagine this. It is a reality that is growing each year, as horsepower numbers increase.
So automakers are the bad guys? Maybe Benz should stop making V12's? Tesla shouldn't make the P100D?
The two men had permission to use a 8,300-foot runway. The two men had a 707hp vehicle. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that at the end of the runway the car is not going to take off like an aircraft would. I feel bad for their families losses, but this could have easily been avoided by scouting the facility first, and secondly braking sooner.
09-13-17, 11:37 AM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
People haven't been taking personal responsibility for decades. Why would they start now? It is only getting worse. Every single owner of these ridiculously horsepowered cars DO NOT have the ability to control their right foot. These cars beg to be driven aggressively and to the limit, in the exact same way drugs cause endorphins in the brain to react. It is what they were designed to do and auto makers know exactly how to tap into this part of the brain and feed the addiction. We are all fooling ourselves if we think there's a chance people can learn to control themselves. ***IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.*** Like I mentioned earlier, I have worked with law enforcement for over twenty years with traffic and safety issues in my city. The bulk of offenders and accident victims are owners of Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, and Chargers. I did not wake up one day and imagine this. It is a reality that is growing each year, as horsepower numbers increase.
So no, it is not Chrysler's fault for designing a car with high horsepower. Its not a gun manufacturer's fault that someone uses a gun to murder someone. Its not a spirit distiller's fault that someone drinks too much and kills someone driving drunk. Blaming these people for what others choose to do with their products is a very disturbing and dangerous slope to be on, and its one I want no part of for America.
You say "every single owner cannot control themselves". If I owned one, I would. All we can each do is try and teach our children and people we have influence over how important it is that they take responsibility for themselves and own the consequences of their actions and let life unfold as it will.
This was on a private and controlled course, they themselves were killed and nobody else. What if this was people racing on a racetrack that died? Is it the fault of the people who built the car they were in? The fault of the racetrack? They assumed a risk when they set out to do exactly what they were doing, legally and with permission on that runway and they died doing it. Their deaths are THEIR fault.
09-13-17, 12:00 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
Like I mentioned earlier, I have worked with law enforcement for over twenty years with traffic and safety issues in my city. The bulk of offenders and accident victims are owners of Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, and Chargers. I did not wake up one day and imagine this. It is a reality that is growing each year, as horsepower numbers increase.
And, of course, there ARE drivers of these vehicles that DO drive responsibly...no one doubts that, or accuses them all of being overly-aggressive. But, obviously, the insurance rates on these cars aren't what they are for nothing.
09-13-17, 12:16 PM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
Kids are going to do dumb things and get killed. They have since the beginning of time, and they always will. They will do it if you take away their cars, take away their booze, they will find something stupid to do that will get them killed. Just a part of life.
09-13-17, 01:35 PM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
Just look on YouTube, people put fireworks in their butts and set them off for fun. Its nature at work thinning the herd lol
"Well gee, we didn't know when we set explosives off in his rectum it might hurt the guy"
"Well gee, we didn't know when we set explosives off in his rectum it might hurt the guy"
09-13-17, 03:08 PM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
That's true to an extent, and kids can be killed in any vehicle, but a disproportionate number of them seem to choose Mustangs to get killed in. According to Fizzboy's experience (and I have no reason to doubt that experience, since he worked with those who actually had to respond to accidents), that also included similar pony and muscle-cars.
09-13-17, 03:13 PM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
Power, while not in itself necessarily a direct cause of accidents and injuries/deaths, has, nevertheless, always been a serious temptation on the roads. The irresponsible driver, not always in the safest of traffic conditions, will, too often, want to "See what she will do". That's probably what happened with those two aging guys in the Challenger....so it also shows that stupidity is not necessarily confined to youth.