4 door sedan recommendation
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A little tip from my experience with FCA dealers...they are the most inconsistent and biggest number manipulators ever. I'm a finance guy and my head hurts after 2 weeks talking and emailing dealers across the states. Had quotes as high as 900 and some dealers think they are selling exotics.. definitely shop around
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Originally Posted by ssmoked
A little tip from my experience with FCA dealers...they are the most inconsistent and biggest number manipulators ever. I'm a finance guy and my head hurts after 2 weeks talking and emailing dealers across the states. Had quotes as high as 900 and some dealers think they are selling exotics.. definitely shop around
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Here is my brief review of the Hellcat in 3 month of ownership compared to the RCF. Hellcat $70k sticker and RCF 73k.
Pros: engine, transmission shifting speeds are unreal. Was able to run 10.9 @125 bone stock with nitto 555r drags with a baby seat in the back. The RCF disappointed me in the performance mark. The heated/cooled seats actually work compared to RCF. Factory remote start that doesn’t shut off the car and no subscription needed. Trunk release/opener actually works compared to RCF
Cons: feels like a boat (4500 lb) with slightest turn. Chrysler cheaped out this 70k car by $100 during production or else it could have been a real nice luxury car. Things like doors do not relock itself if accidentally unlocked from key fob, manual passenger seat ($1 option for power if custom ordered), second row windows do not auto roll down, only rear parking sensor, too much plastic panels from the general parts bin
Conclusion: Chrysler made a simple functioning car and stuck a gigantic engine in it with well rounded supporting metrics. Although it’s not luxury by any means, the functions offered works compared to the Lexus I had prior. Although the RCF and Hellcat msrp around the same, they can’t be any more different. Lexus did a great job with interior fit and finish and exterior, but lacked significantly on the performance they aimed for for the performance F line. That’s why m3/4, rs5, c63, ctsv all review and out performed it everywhere. Chrysler focused all their big bucks into the engine and tranny and didn’t care/ lacked elsewhere.
Cons: feels like a boat (4500 lb) with slightest turn. Chrysler cheaped out this 70k car by $100 during production or else it could have been a real nice luxury car. Things like doors do not relock itself if accidentally unlocked from key fob, manual passenger seat ($1 option for power if custom ordered), second row windows do not auto roll down, only rear parking sensor, too much plastic panels from the general parts bin
Conclusion: Chrysler made a simple functioning car and stuck a gigantic engine in it with well rounded supporting metrics. Although it’s not luxury by any means, the functions offered works compared to the Lexus I had prior. Although the RCF and Hellcat msrp around the same, they can’t be any more different. Lexus did a great job with interior fit and finish and exterior, but lacked significantly on the performance they aimed for for the performance F line. That’s why m3/4, rs5, c63, ctsv all review and out performed it everywhere. Chrysler focused all their big bucks into the engine and tranny and didn’t care/ lacked elsewhere.
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Thanks for your write-up. Sounds to me like you bought a dragster, which was built to do little else but go like stink in a straight line. I assume you knew that when you actually bought it. Unlike the Mustang, some versions of which can actually run with the BMW 3-series in corners, and the superb Cadillac ATS-V suspension on the Camaro SS, the Challenger is, for the most part, a retro-styled dragster....even the top versions of the Mustang and Camaro cannot match the Hellcat's power.
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Chrysler cheaped out this 70k car by $100 during production or else it could have been a real nice luxury car. Things like doors do not relock itself if accidentally unlocked from key fob, manual passenger seat ($1 option for power if custom ordered), second row windows do not auto roll down, only rear parking sensor, too much plastic panels from the general parts bin
i don't agree things like power passenger seat not being included but only costing $1 to get is cheaping out... many drag fans won't want the extra weight in the car.
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If you are a real drag racing fan, you build your own car, usually out of some ****box like a late 70's Ford Fairmont, 80's Mustang or Camaro. People who buy a $70,000 new car have higher expectations, they expect it to go like hell in a straight line but also expect all the luxury and technology features that you can get in a loaded Civic EX for $27,000.
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