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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 06:30 AM
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That's interesting, just googled, and it seems GM sold 4 mil. cars, and MB sold 1/2 mil. in China, with car sales in general soaring....(3.87 mil vs. 473k).

If I understand these numbers, Toyota sold around 1.2 mil. So it would seem that Chinese love GM cars.
They do. It's a bizarre love affair when one takes into account the cars' reputation in their home market.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 06:43 AM
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They do. It's a bizarre love affair when one takes into account the cars' reputation in their home market.
The Chinese like comfort in a vehicle (and, to an extent, I share their view). That's why Buicks do so well in that country (their traditional emphasis on comfort)....though, in general, Chinese-market Buick suspensions are tuned a little firmer than for American tastes and the poor-condition roads we have here. As for the GS, though, it's probably an exception. I don't think the GS would do particularly well in the Chinese market......too much of a sports sedan, and not comfort-oriented enough.

The recent move of Buicks, though, to large wheels and rubber-band tires (the Cascada convertible's standard 20-inchers are a good example, which are also an option on the new Lacrosse) is not helping any in the comfort department.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 06:50 AM
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The recent move of Buicks, though, to large wheels and rubber-band tires (the Cascada convertible's standard 20-inchers are a good example, which are also an option on the new Lacrosse) is not helping any in the comfort department.
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For several years, the Buick Verano (called the Excelle in China) was the country's top-selling vehicle. That's one reason why GM is dropping it in the American market (despite its reasonable success here) and confining it to the Chinese market for 2018...to make more factory room here for Encore production....Encore sales have gone through the roof here in the U.S.
I don't know why the posts quoted aren't in the correct order but anyhow, there's still the squished gummy bear 🐻 of a vehicle known as the encore that comes sans rubber band tires.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 06:55 AM
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They do. It's a bizarre love affair when one takes into account the cars' reputation in their home market.
When I see a CT6, or CTS, and I had a XTS rental in Chicago, I still like Cadillac. I like the '95 when I see it online. With this being said, I would never buy one lol

I was happy to hear from my colleague about how poorly run the CTS-V event at Met Life stadium was, because my time slot got canceled the Friday before, and his didn't! (jealous)
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:01 AM
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When I see a CT6, or CTS, and I had a XTS rental in Chicago, I still like Cadillac. I like the '95 when I see it online. With this being said, I would never buy one lol

I was happy to hear from my colleague about how poorly run the CTS-V event at Met Life stadium was, because my time slot got canceled the Friday before, and his didn't! (jealous)
i think the ct6 is a beautiful car. That said I still wouldn't buy one either. Ha. They need to fix some reliability gremlins before I'd ever consider buying a Cadillac.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by davyjordi
I don't know why the posts quoted aren't in the correct order but anyhow, there's still the squished gummy bear �� of a vehicle known as the encore that comes sans rubber band tires.
In the U.S., the Encore sells like free beer at Happy Hour. In fact, the sales guy who sold me both my Verano and Lacrosse just leased a new Encore to one of my colleagues. He took a test drive in one, and fell in love before he even got it around the block. I'm not a terribly big fan of the Encore, though...IMO, despite a nice Buick-grade interior and good sound insulation, it's stubby, awkward-looking, underpowered, and doesn't really drive or feel like a Buick.

Anyhow, back to the GS....I'll reserve final judgement on the new one until I see it. But the last one was so much of a sport sedan that Buick traditionalists in the U.S. shunned it in droves.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:16 AM
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I think the gs is a very attractive car. It's not my type, but I can appreciate the beauty of the machine. Buick needs to lose its stigma, like, yesterday because it's the largest impediment in the way of keeping younger buyers from buying their product. Buick clearly knows this with the all-new gs but without a whole lineup redo, they're going to face insurmountable difficulty.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:19 AM
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Anyhow, back to the GS....I'll reserve final judgement on the new one until I see it. But the last one was so much of a sport sedan that Buick traditionalists in the U.S. shunned it in droves.
You're totally right re the traditionalists potentially shunning the brand while Buick prepares to appeal to a younger demographic that may never come.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by davyjordi
You're totally right re the traditionalists potentially shunning the brand while Buick prepares to appeal to a younger demographic that may never come.
The Lacrosse (with 18" wheels) and big, cushy Enclave (again, wth standard wheels) still appeal to the traditional I-Love-Buicks crowd. As you probably know, I myself have an 18" wheel Lacrosse on order......should be built in another two weeks or so.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:33 AM
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The Lacrosse (with 18" wheels) and big, cushy Enclave (again, wth standard wheels) still appeal to the traditional I-Love-Buicks crowd. As you probably know, I myself have an 18" wheel Lacrosse on order......should be built in another two weeks or so.
Yes, I know. I don't think there's a member on this forum who doesn't know you're buying a new Lacrosse.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:42 AM
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Yes, I know. I don't think there's a member on this forum who doesn't know you're buying a new Lacrosse.
Really? Who knew!
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnhav430
I went to a Buick event not sure what year, maybe 2013, and Buick was trying to go upscale having world renowned chefs, cooking lessons, etc. And it was shocking, there was no way the median age was 59, it was closer to 80. I don't mean to make light of a potentially serious situation, but a woman in a walker fell during the registration, and nobody rushed to help her because they were all seniors themselves. My guess is that even if the avg. age is 59, and there are people in their 30-40's buying the cars, they likely aren't that interested in spending their day at a Buick event. You say Porsche, BMW, MB, and it's like you delay 3 hours from getting the invite, and now you're on a wait list.

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Perhaps the next event, Buick is will have an on-site EMS squad to make sure their customers are well taken care of. At the Toronto​ auto show Buick had large line ups at their free cafe. Like I said earlier, Buick has been catching my eye of late. Especially Cascada.

I don't think I ever see any young folks driving Buicks. It mostly seniors from I what I have seen. My neighbour just got a loaded Regal with the Turbo. The car has great initial quality. Excellent dash style and ergonomics. Her traded in his Verano for it. But he is 84, with bad hearing, bad hip, bad back etc etc

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It's a Buick, it won't sell, I guarantee it. Nobody in the market for a $40K sport sedan will look at Buick because it has ZERO brand value to anybody searching for such a car. Anybody else looking for a $40K sedan will get an A3 or CLA instead.

I've been right every time about Buick and Cadillac and I'll be right again.
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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 02:23 PM
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It's a Buick, it won't sell, I guarantee it. Nobody in the market for a $40K sport sedan will look at Buick because it has ZERO brand value to anybody searching for such a car. Anybody else looking for a $40K sedan will get an A3 or CLA instead.

I've been right every time about Buick and Cadillac and I'll be right again.

The reason it won't sell has nothing to do with brand value. Next year (2018), the Regal will only be available in sedan and wagon form....in a land where the public, in general, tends to shun those body styles, except for some Subarus.

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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 03:49 PM
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Let's not forget Snoop's words, "... and get scooped up by a little homie in a Regal." With all this talk about old folks buying Buicks, there is and was a huge following of Buicks in the gangster world. I think the Gran National, Regal, and later LaSabres were all low-rider fodder. This all got started when wannabe, young urbanites inherited their parents and grandparents cars and made them their daily's.
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