patgilm

BippuLexus

And his views are dismissive of the legendary nameplate "Supra". Thus, leading me to comment on it.

You bring up a good point. Nissan only abandoned the I6 because the competition caught up. This is why they decided to go with the TTV6. When the R35 first released, it beat every supercar at the time. Nissan has followed this formula for some time. They create a GTR, let it sit for years (decades) and then release another one. The R36, will no doubt, be 100% Japanese and will give Ferrari and Lambo a run for their money.

However - the Supra didn't live up to the Mark 4. Times has changed and Toyota should have adapted. It should have came with the TTV6 from the Lexus LS.
Side note: For all the people saying that money is an issue. Toyota gave us the Lexus LFA (proof they can make an amazing car) then they cheap out and give us a Toyota Supra that is pretty much 99% BMW.

For the price of the Toyota Supra, I can get a M340i. Faster car with 2 more doors.

Och

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I know quite a bit about the old Supras, but its not the 90ies anymore, and im not in my 20ies anymore, so to me a car is much more than just a car now. If anything, I am glad the new Supra is more BMW than a Toyota, because it comes with the superb iDrive system, instead of whatever subpar abortion that Toyota/Lexus clusterplucks in their vehicles. Also, being a BMW there no doubt it will perform the part. The Supra name and styling just adds to that cool factor. Win win for me.

And for whats it worth, performance aside, being a Nissan the GTR is an utter piece of junk.

SW17LS

Its just a name, most people don't care.

Assuming you want two more doors. People don't buy coupes because they're cheaper than sedans. By your logic, you can also buy an RX350L because it has an extra row of seats.

Och

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Exactly, people buy coupes for the cool factor. I personally don't even care for performance all that much, as long as its potent and fun to drive.

AJT123

No way this Supra is "cooler" streetwise than an M340i, IMO at least. I'm not really a BMW guy but the cachet is there. If you could have a heavily loaded 3 series for the same money I'd pick the Bimmer.

Och

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The 340i is a sedan, and they are dollar a bucket here in NYC. The Supra is going to be rare and a million times cooler.

AJT123

That's subjective. No doubt it's cool but it's not the same thing as the last Supra. That was all Toyota engineering. If it's BMW stuff might as well have an actual Bimmer.

I like sedans btw, I've never had anything else.

BippuLexus

Lol. The GT-R is a piece of junk? The GT-R is 10 years old and can beat every car in the BMW line-up still. I wouldn't call that a piece of junk. I call it old. Don't knock on a car that clearly is relevant.

Yeah. It doesn't matter if its not the 90s and you are not in your 20s anymore. I'm not either. But based on your comment what you want is a BMW 2 Seater hard-top - not a Toyota Supra.

Okay. If you think most people don't care, then why are majority of the people are hating it? Seems to me only less than a handful of you actually like it.

With all due respect Steve, that's a slippery slope argument and it just fell flat. My point was because the Toyota Supra and the BMW M340i share the same engine and parts. If the BMW M340i handles, drives, and more powerful than a Supra, why not get something that has 2 more seats and doors?

Och

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There is not question regarding GTR's performance, but other than that its pretty dreadful.

Perhaps, but at the same time the Supra name and the styling only adds to the cool and rare factor. Of course it wont live up to the legendary MKIV, but it's a very exciting coupe on its own merit. Many people complained about the FT86 mostly being a Subaru, but it delivered the intended performance and gained a large following.

That is just silly!

BippuLexus

How is it dreadful? Are you complaining about the luxury and features? If you buy a GT-R for luxurious, features and showing off, you bought the wrong car. The GT-R is for people who cares about driving - the Ferrari is for the clout. For 100K, I would buy a GT-R over any BMW. I'll even buy a R32 or R34 over any BMW.

The Supra name is meaningless if the car doesn't not deliver. Its like how Mitsubishi is going to name a SUV the EVO. Are people going to buy the SUV because of the EVO name for cool factor? Probably not.
The FT86/BRZ combo was mostly Subaru but the Toyota Supra is all BMW except the exterior styling and badges. Also - the FT86/BRZ didn't have big shoes to fill and it was still Japanese. The Toyota Supra shoes are bigger and now its just German.

There's no doubt the Toyota Supra is going to be rare. Its a SUV market. Sales will be low. And the "cool, rare or wow" factor you are looking for isn't there. To the average person - this is just an expensive FT86. The people that only cares about the Supra are enthusiast but since Toyota gave the fanbase a middle finger - maybe only less than 50% of the enthusiast will care about this car.

How's that silly? Sure. The Toyota Supra is going to do better than the M340i on the track, maybe. But the M340i is probably better than this Supra in every other way - considering the M340i has the full HP from the engine while the Supra's version is detuned.

sorptd

Here is nice video on how this new Supra prioritized driving feel above all else. I would pick this over a BMW M240/340 or something like a C43 AMG in a heartbeat ! The real competition for this would be the Porsche Cayman

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