Are luxury sedans a dying breed being replaced by SUVs? (new split thread)
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Are luxury sedans a dying breed being replaced by SUVs? (new split thread)
There's another challenge for the LS - luxury sedans are basically a dying breed. Everyone wants an SUV. Merc already has the GL, BMW is working on X7 and Lexus is a dollar short and a day late as usual.
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Luxury sedans are not a dying breed. They may not be as popular as in the past but there are still a lot of people who want them and don't want some dumpy SUV for a daily driver. Wait until gas prices go back up, SUV's will fall out of favor really quick and people will start buying sedans again. I don't see anything in the SUV market that really compares to the prestige and desirability of a flagship luxury sedan either.
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Luxury sedans are not a dying breed. They may not be as popular as in the past but there are still a lot of people who want them and don't want some dumpy SUV for a daily driver. Wait until gas prices go back up, SUV's will fall out of favor really quick and people will start buying sedans again. I don't see anything in the SUV market that really compares to the prestige and desirability of a flagship luxury sedan either.
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And my LS doesn't get any better gas mileage than an SUV lol, I'm at about 17 MPG.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
For real-world suburban driving in a car the size of the LS with a V8, that's not bad, particularly if yours is an AWD.
Mileage on my GS was about the same, my ES300 was about the same. ES350 was much better. I would get low 20s everyday, 30 on the highway.
My LS400 and LS430 were better too but they were RWD.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
my 'brick' of a vehicle i had before... ”06 explorer with v8, got 17 average and about 20-21 on long highway trips. really not bad. my (very heavy) v6 jeep grand cherokee averages 21.
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Luxury sedans are not a dying breed. They may not be as popular as in the past but there are still a lot of people who want them and don't want some dumpy SUV for a daily driver. Wait until gas prices go back up, SUV's will fall out of favor really quick and people will start buying sedans again. I don't see anything in the SUV market that really compares to the prestige and desirability of a flagship luxury sedan either.
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Originally Posted by UDel
Luxury sedans are not a dying breed.
Just this evening, for example, about an hour ago, my old flight instructor (who I've been friends with for decades) called me and asked me my recommendation for a smooth-riding Lexus SUV. His current boss owns an older LS430 that he has kept all of these years because he said the LS460, which replaced it, rides too stiff...the 430, to him, is distinctly more comfortable. (I myself don't really see the 460 as that stiff, and I know Steve won't, but he does). Anyhow, his boss plans to buy a new Lexus SUV (in addition to the old 430, which he will keep) because he also wants AWD and a high ground-clearance for winter. I recommended the RX, of course, rather than the GX or LX, as it is car-based and distinctly smoother-riding.....and his boss doesn't need the GX/LX off-roading ability.
The point, of course, is not the SUV, but the fact that here is a guy who keeps an almost 15-year-old LS430 sedan in the stable, rather than a newer one, because almost all of the newer replacements simply ride too stiff....and he doesn't trust the reliability of the smooth-riding Mercedes S550.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-12-17 at 07:15 PM.
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^^^ I totally agree.
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/07/suv...sedans-in.html
Furthermore, if we look hard at the stats, in 2014 SUV sales were 36.5%.
However, sedan sales aren't really 35.4%.
Sedan sales is actually 35.4% + hatchback sales of 5.5% + station wagon sales of 1.2% = a total of 42.1% sales, meaning that back in 2014, combined sales of sedans/hatchbacks/wagons still outsold SUV's.
I suspect SUV sales will rise to a point, while sedan/hatch/wagon sales will fall to a point, and then everything will level out and stabilize.
I don't believe people should be saying that sedan sales are dying, and in particular, we shouldn't say that sedan sales are dead...
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/07/suv...sedans-in.html
Furthermore, if we look hard at the stats, in 2014 SUV sales were 36.5%.
However, sedan sales aren't really 35.4%.
Sedan sales is actually 35.4% + hatchback sales of 5.5% + station wagon sales of 1.2% = a total of 42.1% sales, meaning that back in 2014, combined sales of sedans/hatchbacks/wagons still outsold SUV's.
I suspect SUV sales will rise to a point, while sedan/hatch/wagon sales will fall to a point, and then everything will level out and stabilize.
I don't believe people should be saying that sedan sales are dying, and in particular, we shouldn't say that sedan sales are dead...
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Sedans are out of vogue right now but to say they are "dying" is a little premature. The sales are still there, and no they're not only to livery outlets. Trends change too, and what's in style now can and will be out of style in the future.
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The point, of course, is not the SUV, but the fact that here is a guy who keeps an almost 15-year-old LS430 sedan in the stable, rather than a newer one, because almost all of the newer replacements simply ride too stiff....and he doesn't trust the reliability of the smooth-riding Mercedes S550.
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