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Old Dec 3, 2021 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I think a lot of brands start off with a sports sedan or sporty coupe to hook the enthusiasts and people that will champion the brand. Tesla did that strategy with the Roadster and then the very nice looking Model S.
the roadster was never intended to be delivered 'at scale' nor even the model S. so lucid is starting with something more expensive and upscale than the model S, less 'cool' in many ways, they certainly don't have an elon musk at the helm also putting people into space and creating a skynet.
i believe if lucid doesn't have another model FOR SALE (not just reservations) in 2 years, they'll be toast. tesla was always about the model 3 and Y as the long game. without those models tesla would be gone too.

I think Lucid's technology better serves the lower end of the market. Their secret sauce is how small their super efficient electric motors are and this would serve very well in something the size of a Model 3 or smaller. They could probably make the most efficient, highest horsepower, with the best packaging if they targeted that market but they went to the executive class first. We'll see if this strategy pays off.
makes sense, and also makes sense they started with something expensive produced in smaller numbers to get the ship moving. but you have to follow up with something in higher volume (unless you're porsche, rolls royce, or something). even mercedes needs model A's and B's to stay in business.

i don't wish for lucid to fail of course, competition is a good thing, and i hope they succeed fabulously.

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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 07:45 AM
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They sold 35K Model Ss a year, thats pretty "at scale".
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
They sold 35K Model Ss a year, thats pretty "at scale".
And they had the S for more than 5 years before the 3 came on the scene.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 08:04 AM
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They sold 35K Model Ss a year, thats pretty "at scale".
They sold 20K last year in the US. 14K the year before. Only 7K so far in the 21.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 08:06 AM
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They sold 20K last year in the US. 14K the year before. Only 7K so far in the 21.
Sure, less now that they have other models.
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Old Dec 5, 2021 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
They sold 20K last year in the US. 14K the year before. Only 7K so far in the 21.
7k this year because they didn't sell them until June. Now they are sold out until mid next year...hardly a demand problem.
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The opening is hilarious


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Old Dec 22, 2021 | 09:11 AM
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Do they do performance tests? I do find the trunk opening/design super strange but otherwise the overall package is beautiful.
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Do they do performance tests? I do find the trunk opening/design super strange but otherwise the overall package is beautiful.
They drive it through Malibu Canyon, which is a famous winding road in Southern California. It has so much torque and power that it starts to make him feel woozy LOL. Although the opening they do pretending to be Lucid engineers is hilarious, it brings home the point that how much power an EV makes is literally a decision they can make right on the spot. You want 800? 900? 1000? It's basically a programing decision
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
It's basically a programing decision
There is a tiny bit more than goes into it. I want to see 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers.
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Old Dec 22, 2021 | 09:29 AM
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There is a tiny bit more than goes into it. I want to see 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers.
I was giving you the Cliff Notes version


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Old Dec 22, 2021 | 10:55 AM
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good video, thanks for sharing!

pardon my lack of knowledge, where is lucid based in? CA? maybe i missed it in the video as i understood the model they were using was a Santa Monica edition, denoting the company's origins?
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good video, thanks for sharing!

pardon my lack of knowledge, where is lucid based in? CA? maybe i missed it in the video as i understood the model they were using was a Santa Monica edition, denoting the company's origins?
Yes, Newark, California which is in the EastBay. Santa Monica is in Southern California, about 400 or so miles south
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Old Dec 22, 2021 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
They drive it through Malibu Canyon, which is a famous winding road in Southern California. It has so much torque and power that it starts to make him feel woozy LOL. Although the opening they do pretending to be Lucid engineers is hilarious, it brings home the point that how much power an EV makes is literally a decision they can make right on the spot. You want 800? 900? 1000? It's basically a programing decision
And suspension bushings
And brakes
And pack cooling
And cell management/count
And motor windings
And axle strength
And pack heat management
And.......

Its not just selecting a number. It's not magic, it's just a simple electrical motor hooked into some suspension and a whole lot of management of the cells to prevent it blowing up.

It also will never be anything more than what it is. Never will be faster or something completely improved/unique. Just a battery and motors.

If anything it's ICE cars that have a hell of a lot more potential if you allow them to be programmed for power instead of emissions and mpg. Like a LOT more.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
And suspension bushings
And brakes
And pack cooling
And cell management/count
And motor windings
And axle strength
And pack heat management
And.......

Its not just selecting a number. It's not magic, it's just a simple electrical motor hooked into some suspension and a whole lot of management of the cells to prevent it blowing up.

It also will never be anything more than what it is. Never will be faster or something completely improved/unique. Just a battery and motors.

If anything it's ICE cars that have a hell of a lot more potential if you allow them to be programmed for power instead of emissions and mpg. Like a LOT more.
​​​​​​If believing that allows you to satisfy that illusion, more power to you brother. If I use your analogy, if I burn a mountain of coal I can produce a ton of energy, at the expense of the environment and air quality. A smaller nuclear power plant could generate infinite more energy using less resources and less environmental impact. Throw more displacement, burn more gas, yeah and we're back in the 1960's and 70's where I could see the air I was breathing when I was growing up in Los Angeles. No matter how much you try to fool yourself, to achieve more power with ice means cramming more gas and air into the cylinders, less MPG's and more pollution. Name me one high performance ICE vehicle 500 to 1000 hp that gets over 30 mpg. If you can, I'll swear off EV'S forever.

BTW I was joking in my previous post, I fully understand the complexities in EV'S

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