2017 Porsche Panamera
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On a shorter track (1.6 miles) owned by motorsports magazine France, it was 4.2 seconds gap with the current '16 Turbo S.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circui...gny-cours-club
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Does a Nurburgring time even come into the picture for potential Panamera buyers? They just want a fast, showy sedan that's... Showy 
This thing is a symbol of conspicuous consumption and not much else. Looks mighty good though.
This thing is a symbol of conspicuous consumption and not much else. Looks mighty good though.
Good point. I think it is good that Porsche is sticking to its racing heritage and not getting watered down in a car segment generally full of "showy" cars. Granted, most buyers will not be doing Nurburg' laps in their Pan', but still something to consider for a car enthusiast, or Porsche enthusiast.. More 911 and GT owners will be purchasing the Panamera, which i assume is what Porsche intended
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ok folks i think we can let go of the LFA comparison now.
the CL page referenced a comparison done by another site, that's all. it's not the end of the world either way.
the CL page referenced a comparison done by another site, that's all. it's not the end of the world either way.
Take, for example, CarScoops‘ recent article titled, “New Porsche Panamera Turbo Is As Fast As Lexus’ LF-A Around The Nurburgring”. As with the Porsche video below, the article details the next-generation 2017 Porsche Panamera Turbo’s very impressive 7:38 Nürburgring lap time.
According to Porsche, that makes the Panamera the “fastest luxury sedan on earth.” And, furthermore, the redesign means it won’t be the worst-looking Porsche around anymore.
For comparison, CarScoops then looked at this list of the Top 100 lap times around the Green Hell, and highlighted other cars that have scored the exact same time, including our favorite supercar, the Lexus LFA, at #44.
Of course, the article failed to mention that while the Panamera’s time is certainly impressive, it’s not quite as impressive as the 8th place time of 7:14.64 still held by the Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package.
According to Porsche, that makes the Panamera the “fastest luxury sedan on earth.” And, furthermore, the redesign means it won’t be the worst-looking Porsche around anymore.
For comparison, CarScoops then looked at this list of the Top 100 lap times around the Green Hell, and highlighted other cars that have scored the exact same time, including our favorite supercar, the Lexus LFA, at #44.
Of course, the article failed to mention that while the Panamera’s time is certainly impressive, it’s not quite as impressive as the 8th place time of 7:14.64 still held by the Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package.
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Though it is not totally unique, few other sedans (except maybe for the Aston Martin Rapide) can equal the overall driving experience of a Panamera, if it is a fast, sport/touring sedan you're looking for. I did a street-review of a Panamera several years ago (some of you might remember it), and it was a hoot...though it ended up as one of the riskiest reviews I ever did. Not carelessness on my part (I'm always careful behind the wheel, review or not), but a Honda Civic decided at the last second that it was going to swerve and exit left from the right lane, right in front of me......and I found out, in a split-second, just how good the Panamera's brakes and suspension/handling were. 
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But this second generation Panamera is so technical, gorgeous, and I'm sure it drives fantastic. I like the option of the low displacement V6 high horsepower (and Ford's recent use of 2.7 and 3.0 again), and of course the V8 option.
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Rapide S is a personal favorite of mine with the styling and V12 being the main reasons.
But this second generation Panamera is so technical, gorgeous, and I'm sure it drives fantastic. I like the option of the low displacement V6 high horsepower (and Ford's recent use of 2.7 and 3.0 again), and of course the V8 option.
But this second generation Panamera is so technical, gorgeous, and I'm sure it drives fantastic. I like the option of the low displacement V6 high horsepower (and Ford's recent use of 2.7 and 3.0 again), and of course the V8 option.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
or read CR
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People buy these cars based on emotion and prestige.
I mean, look at how many people drive more ordinary luxury vehicles they DO daily drive, such as Range Rovers and BMWs, etc where they know the reliability issues, but they want the car and they buy them anyways.
Emotion beats practicality when it comes to a purely luxury purchase every time.
plus a lot of the issues on supposedly less reliable brands like range rover are annoying things rather than break downs, and people live with them until they can get to the dealer, loving the vehicle despite the 'quirks'.
even though a camry or corolla might be PERFECTLY reliable i could never drive one because i'd go insane from boredom.
having said that, my 'unreliable' 2006 ford explorer (first year of that gen) was perfectly reliable except a cd changer failure which was replaced under warranty. my jgc is all good so far. my lexus gs400 had a few issues but great vehicle. my acuras and honda before were flawless (and fun).
even though a camry or corolla might be PERFECTLY reliable i could never drive one because i'd go insane from boredom.
having said that, my 'unreliable' 2006 ford explorer (first year of that gen) was perfectly reliable except a cd changer failure which was replaced under warranty. my jgc is all good so far. my lexus gs400 had a few issues but great vehicle. my acuras and honda before were flawless (and fun).